Food Safety Talk

Don and Ben are joined by mystery guest Matt Haughey of Metafilter, Ask Metafilter, Slack and Salesforce (and many other Internet things). The guys talk through a variety of topics including podcasting, common podcast friends and social media stuff. They do a deep-dive on moving to a new geographic location and how the food and environment can impact lots of things including how people feel. The guys chat about different food laws in different countries and a non-food safety person's view on what food safety is. The conversation touches on raw milk, 3D food printers and home-based food businesses (including one linked to a Salmonella outbreak).

The conversation starts with the guys going through a little bit of nostalgia for the dorms they stayed in when they were in college including architecture and the various amenities each of their housing situations afforded them. The conversation then moves into food safety at a Jersey Chipotle restaurant and a whistleblower lawsuit. The guys talk about Ben's experience at the National Association of Convenience Stores and how that sector is growing their food safety focus. The discussion moves to TikTok trends including butter boards and good TikTok accounts. The guys go on to talk about the review of FDA functions, a paper that Ben would have rejected on food safety myths, a soft cheese linked outbreak and pandemic-influenced Norovirus trends. The show ends on a revisit of reusable shopping bag food safety.

Don and Ben are joined by Hanna Raskin, from The Food Section, which has an amazing tagline: "Covering food and drink across the American South as though it mattered as much as crime and politics (because it does)." After a quick 20 questions game featuring Don's guesses, Hanna, Don and Ben talk about food risks, what it's like to be a food journalist and how food food safety factors in. The group chats about communal silverware, meal kit regulation and end the show talking a bit about FDA and leafy greens.

After taking a month-long hiatus from Food Safety Talk while Ben was in Canada with no Internet the guys are back at it. The conversation starts on electronic workplace productivity surveillance and how that doesn't really work in the academic world. The conversation shifts to remembering Don and Ben's friend and food safety superstar Brian Nummer who recently passed away suddenly. The theme of the show becomes "catch Ben up on what he missed" and feedback. The guys talk Pink Sauce, recall notices, hydrogen and microbes in canned foods, soaking grains at room temperature overnight and chicken liver pate. Don and Ben talk monkeypox, a man who has farted for 5 years and issues related to clean-in-place processing equipment. The show ends with the guys critiquing a couple of food waste/spoilage articles.

This is the Live From IAFP Special, where Don and Ben get together in person for their yearly event with listeners from around the world. The show starts with a discussion of the cool things they've seen (and some of the stuff they have missed) at the IAFP Annual Meeting. They talk about an USDA-FSIS's announcement about making Salmonella an adulterant in frozen breaded poultry and what it's impacts may be. They do a bunch of follow-up on Pink Sauce and flour. The guys are then joined by listeners Deep State, Deep In The Heart of Texas, Deep New England, Doxxed Robert and Veronica Illstopatthat to chat about things like play dough, COVID in food settings, Daily Harvest, hyper realistic cakes and the challenges of food safety on TV.

The episode begins on Ben's fascination with the Mac OS dark mode and Don's email rules. Ben tells Don about his food safety happenings while on vacation, including using a massive turkey thermometer. The guys talk about complications around information sharing between investigators and businesses during a current ongoing Cyclospora outbreak (with unknown source). The conversation goes to freeze dried blueberries with lead and the safety of skittles. The show ends on a deep dive on updates on Daily Harvest and Big Olaf.

The show starts with Don's smoke detectors going off (and listen to the after show for how that got resolved) and Ben yet again relying on Don to be his therapist. The guys talk about stuff they are watching including some historical documentaries on politics and music and gardening shows. The food safety content kicks off with a deep dive on an outbreak of listeriosis linked to a Florida ice cream company, Big Olaf. The conversation focuses on the odd communication from the company and Florida officials, and then the guys do some googling (never read the comments). The discussion then goes to meal kits, specifically Daily Harvest and Revive Superfoods which both are experiencing recalls and may have a common ingredient. The show ends on a few quick hits on frozen butter, slow cookers and rat lung worm.

The guys start this episode talking about TikTok dances, and that is Don's founding member of Ithacon. The conversation goes on to Daily Harvest supplied lentil and leek crumble-linked illnesses. They do a deep dive on what might be the cause, communications and compare the event with Lucky Charms. The guys talk about the upcoming IAFP meeting and a few questions that Ben received about refrigeration in developing countries (with some turns-outs). The episode ends with some listener feedback and a discussion of the difference between young, old, pregnant and immunocompromised (YOPI) populations and highly susceptible populations.

Don and Ben head to Phoenix (Glendale really) for a road trip and record this episode in front of about 200 attendees of the 126th Association of Food and Drug Officials' Annual Educational Conference. The guys talk about a local (to Glendale) restaurant and their famous salt wall. They go through a list of 25 foods that need to be treated differently (or don't) when held out of refrigeration. They talk about the weird emails they get, gig economy food apps and explain how the answer questions on Risky or Not. Then they open the floor mic up to audience questions and talk about freeze-dried meats, oysters from someone's waterfront property and old grenadine.

The episode starts with a discussion of a couple of documentaries that Ben recently watched and Don lends his recommendation of the Time Traveler's Wife (the series, not the film). Ben talks about his recent running experience and then the guys really get into food safety. They do a deep dive of the recent Jif peanut butter-linked Salmonellosis outbreak. They bring back quick game of ABCDCFDA+ around the outbreak and recall information. The conversation goes to Abbott Labs and infant formula (and all the ripple effects of Coronabacter sakazakii). The guys talk about Lucky Charms and the utility of crowdsourced outbreak info. The show ends on a discussion about the challenges of being a political appointee during a pandemic.

The episode starts with some follow-up discussion about Lucky Charms and FDA's investigation into the cereal's connection unknown illnesses. The guys talk about crisis communication responses with a call back to benzene in Perrier. Don and Ben do some listener feed back from deep chewing gum about talc and pathogens (and baseball cards). The conversation goes to a frozen pizza-linked pathogenic E. coli outbreak in France with a deep dive on manufacturers cooking instructions. The guys talk about low moisture foods and pathogen concerns and the physics of chicken washing. The show ends on a quick discussion of bus drivers getting sick.

Don and Ben start the episode on Ben's basketball and Beastie Boys experiences. The guys go on to Ben's Pie in the Sky homework and talk about how health inspectors are portrayed in popular culture. The conversation goes to soap recalls and follow-up that Canada has a nice centralized place to find all archived recalls (food and other stuff). The guys do a deep dive on FDA's investigation into unknown illnesses potentially linked to Lucky Charms. They go back to an ongoing topic about Cronobacter and infant formula and talk about recall modernization and CDC's office of outbreak forecasting. The episode ends on an unofficial segment of ABCFDACDC+ review of Milltown Borough's lead in water communication pamphlet.

Don and Ben start the episode talking about podcasting background sounds like birds and stuff they are watching.The conversation goes to a new paper that Ben's group had published on the impacts (and the turns outs) of consumers washing poultry before cooking, where the pathogens seem to go and what we tell people about cleaning and sanitizing their sinks. The conversation goes to reducing paper waste and the food safety issues related to reusable containers coming into a restaurant. The guys talk about the best way to communicate oyster-linked Norovirus outbreaks and recalls to restaurants (and how much of a signal to noise problem there could be. The discussion goes to enoki mushrooms and ongoing Listeria issues and ends on a conversation of Helena Bottemiller Evich's Politico's piece about FDA's challenges.

The guys are joined by friend of the show and food safety lawyer Bill Marler, for his second time on the show (but first in 8 years). The group talks about food safety advocacy, how the civil legal system supports change within the industry and regulatory world and how Bill's relationship with Dave Theno shaped his outlook and view on effecting change within the food safety world. The three talk in depth about a current Cronobacter sakazakii outbreak linked to infant formula and the challenges of civil and criminal cases, and the unique aspect of this pathogen not being reportable/notiofiable. The discussion goes to the importance and power of linking food safety to those who have been victims of foodborne illness. The show ends with a discussion on why Bill is working to address Listeria illnesses in South Africa.

Don and Ben start the episode talking about all the things they are watching and listening to including (obviously) British streaming shows (and not obviously) Canadian indie rock radio. The food safety really gets started with a deep dive on reality star Heidi Montag's bison heart eating habits. This leads the guys into an internet tailspin going from Paul Saidino, to Joseph Mercola to, uh, Joe Rogan. It is quite the trip. The conversation goes to Cronobacter in infant formula and the issues related to illnesses when they aren't on the reportable/notifiable lists. The guys end the episode on a bunch of topics including multi-author government research papers, onions at Costco and the definition of TCS foods (and whether all cut vegetables should be under temperature control).