Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show

118. Mormon Marriage A story by Wilted_Flower was posted on the internet (http://redd.it/2pawvc). The author tells of her experience with several Mormon men which did not appear to result in marriage but with a non-Mormon man, their marriage was imminent. Her bishop discouraged this relationship. After a number years, at the age of 58, never married, she left the Church because it had robbed her of this one opportunity.   More than 200 comments were posted. I invited a guest to talk about the Church's teaching and encouragement about marriage in contrast to the claims of Wilted_Flower and most of the comments. Guest: Paul Brandt is a psychotherapist specializing in individual, couples and family therapy. He has maintained a private practice in the Salt Lake City area for twenty-­two years.  These are phrases typical of those portraying the Church: I just hate the church and what it does to peoples lives.... No more mormon men for me. You were lied to, had your youth and your first love stolen from you... you missed your chance of happiness.  This cult took everything from you. I hate seeing another example of the Mormon faith crushing the happiness out of a girl's life. Mormonism Enslaves women ...indoctrinated and brainwashed Some discussion: There are many Church doctrines and teachings that seem contrary to the comments. In regard to Wilted_Flower who made the decision? Marriage is not for everyone Mormonism is not for everyone Many diverse views among LDS There are many reasons for personal relationships not based upon indoctrination. Paul discussed six stages of moral reasoning A caller gave examples of mixed messages Paul spoke of an LDS program - Strengthening Marriage - started about 6 years ago A caller quoted from the Bishop's Handbook about regarding decisions on marriage or divorce

118. Mormon MarriageA story by Wilted_Flower was posted on the internet (http://redd.it/2pawvc). The author tells of her experience with several Mormon men which did not appear to result in marriage but with a non-Mormon man, their marriage was imminent. Her bishop discouraged this relationship. After a number years, at the age of 58, never married, she left the Church because it had robbed her of this one opportunity.   More than 200 comments were posted.I invited a guest to talk about the Church's teaching and encouragement about marriage in contrast to the claims of Wilted_Flower and most of the comments.Guest: Paul Brandt is a psychotherapist specializing in individual, couples and family therapy. He has maintained a private practice in the Salt Lake City area for twenty-­two years. These are phrases typical of those portraying the Church:I just hate the church and what it does to peoples lives.... No more mormon men for me.You were lied to, had your youth and your first love stolen from you... you missed your chance of happiness. This cult took everything from you.I hate seeing another example of the Mormon faith crushing the happiness out of a girl's life.Mormonism Enslaves women...indoctrinated and brainwashedSome discussion:There are many Church doctrines and teachings that seem contrary to the comments.In regard to Wilted_Flower who made the decision?Marriage is not for everyoneMormonism is not for everyoneMany diverse views among LDSThere are many reasons for personal relationships not based upon indoctrination.Paul discussed six stages of moral reasoningA caller gave examples of mixed messagesPaul spoke of an LDS program - Strengthening Marriage - started about 6 years agoA caller quoted from the Bishop's Handbook about regarding decisions on marriage or divorce

117. LDS Handcart Project & Others Don Ormsby, a long time participant on MM, joined me this evening to talk about his mission the past two years. We talked about his experience working at the LDS extensive project at Martin's Cove in Wyoming.  Topics include: A tragic LDS 1856 event History of this current LDS project for members & non-Members The Land Missionaries maintaining the site Handcart trek experiences past and present Other projects: Dairies, Ranches, Canneries, Medical, Polynesian Center, Education LDS Projects in Nauvoo - 1840s Comments on the New Testament Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show is now in its 35th year.Podcast address: http://mormonmisc.podbean.com To Participate Live, Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST Live, in Salt Lake Valley on AM Radio • K-TALK  630 AM Live, internationally on http://www.k-talk.com Live, our call-in number is 801-254-5855 Live, participate sending short email mormontalkingpoints@gmail.com Live, your questions or comments are invited, regardless of your point of view.  Your voice will be heard around the world. To make a comment here, click on “Comment” below

117. LDS Handcart Project & OthersDon Ormsby, a long time participant on MM, joined me this evening to talk about his mission the past two years. We talked about his experience working at the LDS extensive project at Martin's Cove in Wyoming. Topics include:A tragic LDS 1856 eventHistory of this current LDS project for members & non-MembersThe LandMissionaries maintaining the siteHandcart trek experiences past and presentOther projects: Dairies, Ranches, Canneries, Medical, Polynesian Center, EducationLDS Projects in Nauvoo - 1840sComments on the New TestamentTalk Show host: Van Hale, LDSMormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show is now in its 35th year.Podcast address: http://mormonmisc.podbean.comTo ParticipateLive, Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MSTLive, in Salt Lake Valley on AM Radio • K-TALK  630 AMLive, internationally on http://www.k-talk.comLive, our call-in number is 801-254-5855Live, participate sending short email mormontalkingpoints@gmail.comLive, your questions or comments are invited, regardless of your point of view. Your voice will be heard around the world.To make a comment here, click on “Comment” below

116. Looking Into Scripture #4 Revelation 14:4 - What was the author saying: The first redeemed will be 144,000 men: not defiled with women no sexual relations did not do sinful things with women spiritual undefiled virgins as pure as virgins kept themselves pure celibates they are chaste Is celibacy superior to marriage? Does the author's point contradict Jesus' teaching (Mat 19:4-6); Paul's (Eph 5:22-33) and the author's of Hebrews (13:4)?  

116. Looking Into Scripture #4Revelation 14:4 - What was the author saying:The first redeemed will be 144,000 men:not defiled with womenno sexual relationsdid not do sinful things with womenspiritual undefiledvirginsas pure as virginskept themselves purecelibatesthey are chasteIs celibacy superior to marriage?Does the author's point contradict Jesus' teaching (Mat 19:4-6); Paul's (Eph 5:22-33) and the author's of Hebrews (13:4)? 

115. Looking Into Scripture #3 Reasons for different conclusions: Psalm 8:5 - did the author mean that man is little less than angels. heavenly beings, gods, a god or God (Elohim)? Ezekiel 18 - discussed in our Gospel Doctrine class, are children responsible for the sins of their parents? John 1:1 - was the author's point that Jesus was God?: Different translator's conclusion; Joseph Smith's Translation John 1:18 - Is the answer, according to the entire Bible, that any man has ever seen God? Joseph Smith's. JS Translation Thinking about JS's early concepts does it appear that he believed that God and the Son (Jesus)  are numerically 1 or 2? Looking into Rev. 1:6 what was JS's concept that Jesus' God has a father?

115. Looking Into Scripture #3Reasons for different conclusions:Psalm 8:5 - did the author mean that man is little less than angels. heavenly beings, gods, a god or God (Elohim)?Ezekiel 18 - discussed in our Gospel Doctrine class, are children responsible for the sins of their parents?John 1:1 - was the author's point that Jesus was God?: Different translator's conclusion; Joseph Smith's TranslationJohn 1:18 - Is the answer, according to the entire Bible, that any man has ever seen God? Joseph Smith's. JS TranslationThinking about JS's early concepts does it appear that he believed that God and the Son (Jesus)  are numerically 1 or 2?Looking into Rev. 1:6 what was JS's concept that Jesus' God has a father?

114. Looking Into Scripture #2 Did Adam and Eve have navels? Manifesto - 1890 Acts 20:28  Acts 20:35 Elohim

114. Looking Into Scripture #2Did Adam and Eve have navels?Manifesto - 1890Acts 20:28 Acts 20:35Elohim

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112.Conversation with the author Karen Phippen Browne: Help Thou Mine Unbelief: Scientific, Historical and Spiritual Evidence of God (published 2013)Karen has spent many years as a journalist and editor and I assume this I have find her book very well-written. I include two paragraphs from her Preface: Most people I have known and served with over the years never knew about these misgivings, because my whole background and persona reflected religious strength and testimony. I was born into an active LDS family, was faithful to my baptismal and temple covenants, served a full-time mission, married in the temple, and raised three wonderful children in the ways of the Lord. I served in many capacities within the wards and stakes where I resided and tried very hard to reach out to others to help them wherever I was needed. In other words, I was a typical Latter-day Saint woman.But underneath it all, I was a Doubting Thomas. Despite my activity in the Church, there was always within me a steaming cauldron of doubt and insecurity about the very belief system to which I had dedicated my life. Most of the time, I could keep the pot on simmer because after all, I would tell myself, any religious belief a person professes is simply a matter of choice anyway. I chose to believe, just like everybody else. But still that persistent little voice of doubt would bubble up until, from time to time, the cauldron would boil over requiring yet another Herculean effort to get the lid back on.We only touched some of the numerous topics she has pursued. Her book begins "Evidence of Divine Creation" and concludes with "Help for the Doubting Thomas." I highly recommend her approach providing many of her thoughts and pondering a wide range of LDS and non-LDS sources identified in the Index.Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDSMormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show is now in its 32th year.Podcast address: http://mormonmisc.podbean.comTo ParticipateLive, Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MSTLive, in Salt Lake Valley on AM Radio • K-TALK  630 AMLive, internationally on http://www.k-talk.comLive, our call-in number is 801-254-5855Live, participate sending short email mormontalkingpoints@gmail.comLive, your questions or comments are invited, regardless of your point of view. Your voice will be heard around the world.To make a comment here, click on “Comment” below

112.Conversation with the author Karen Phippen Browne:  Help Thou Mine Unbelief: Scientific, Historical and Spiritual Evidence of God (published 2013) Karen has spent many years as a journalist and editor and I assume this I have find her book very well-written. I include two paragraphs from her Preface: Most people I have known and served with over the years never knew about these misgivings, because my whole background and persona reflected religious strength and testimony. I was born into an active LDS family, was faithful to my baptismal and temple covenants, served a full-time mission, married in the temple, and raised three wonderful children in the ways of the Lord. I served in many capacities within the wards and stakes where I resided and tried very hard to reach out to others to help them wherever I was needed. In other words, I was a typical Latter-day Saint woman. But underneath it all, I was a Doubting Thomas. Despite my activity in the Church, there was always within me a steaming cauldron of doubt and insecurity about the very belief system to which I had dedicated my life. Most of the time, I could keep the pot on simmer because after all, I would tell myself, any religious belief a person professes is simply a matter of choice anyway. I chose to believe, just like everybody else. But still that persistent little voice of doubt would bubble up until, from time to time, the cauldron would boil over requiring yet another Herculean effort to get the lid back on. We only touched some of the numerous topics she has pursued. Her book begins "Evidence of Divine Creation" and concludes with "Help for the Doubting Thomas." I highly recommend her approach providing many of her thoughts and pondering a wide range of LDS and non-LDS sources identified in the Index. Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show is now in its 32th year. Podcast address: http://mormonmisc.podbean.com To Participate Live, Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST Live, in Salt Lake Valley on AM Radio • K-TALK  630 AM Live, internationally on http://www.k-talk.com Live, our call-in number is 801-254-5855 Live, participate sending short email mormontalkingpoints@gmail.com Live, your questions or comments are invited, regardless of your point of view.  Your voice will be heard around the world. To make a comment here, click on “Comment” below

108. Book of Mormon: Mesoamerica Daniel Johnson was my guest. As LDS, he has had much interest in the Book of Mormon, especially research into the archaeology and history of Book of Mormon lands, referring to Mesoamerica. He is the principal author of An LDS Guide to Mesoamerica and the upcoming An LDS Guide to the Yucatan. Of course, we, including a number of callers, discussed this topic from several angles. His blog is very interesting including many photos of Mesoamerica. Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show is now in its 32th year. Podcast address: http://mormonmisc.podbean.com TO PARTICIPATE: Live, Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST Live, in Salt Lake Valley on AM Radio • K-TALK  630 AM Live, internationally on http://www.k-talk.com Live, our call-in number is 801-254-5855 Live, participate sending short email mormontalkingpoints@gmail.com Live, your questions or comments are invited, regardless of your point of view.  Your voice will be heard around the world. To make a comment here, click on “Comment” below