With Friends Like These

Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) sits down with Lincoln Group founder Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) to discuss what the soft Republican stance is on everything happening around us right now. Will Trump stop an election from happening? As Rick agrees: Yikes all around.  Thanks to our sponsors! Postage rates have gone up AGAIN. Thankfully, Stamps.com eases the pain with big discounts off Post Office retail rates. Go to Stamps.com, click on the Microphone at the TOP of the homepage and type in FRIENDS and get a special offer that includes a 4-week trial PLUS free postage AND a digital scale without any long-term commitment.  ThirdLove believes that every woman deserves to feel comfortable and confident every day. With the right kind of support, they help her do this. Go to THIRDLOVE.com/FRIENDS now to find your perfect-fitting bra and get 15% off your first purchase!  Here at With Friends Like These, we love Grove Collaborative, the online marketplace that delivers all-natural home, beauty, and personal care products directly to your door. go to Grove.co/FRIENDS you’ll get a FREE FIVE PIECE Set from Grove so you can swap out plastic in an easy way. Plus, you’ll get free shipping AND a free 60-day VIP trial! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Want to learn some spicy new tricks just in time for Valentine’s Day? This week Kate Murphy joins Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) to talk about this season’s hottest tip: mindfully listening to those around you. Kate Murphy, author of You’re Not Listening, talks about why listening is so important, and how it can save your life in the long term. Afterward, they discuss being comfortable with silence and working through disagreements. Thanks to our sponsors! quip, makers of the quip electric toothbrush wants you to know the one single discovery that matters most for your dental care. It is simply this, that if you have good habits, you are good. Join over THREE MILLION healthy mouths and get quip today, starting at TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS. And if you go to getquip.com/FRIENDS, RIGHT NOW, you’ll get your first refill FREE. Rothy’s has quickly grown to a most-loved, gotta-have-them brand. It’s no surprise they have over 1,000 nearly perfect reviews. They’re stylish, sustainable, comfortable, washable—really, all in one pair of shoes. They’re the perfect flats for life on-the-go. Go to Rothys.com/WFLT to get your new favorite flats. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In Germany, studying the Holocaust — and the part everyday Germans played in it — is part of the school curriculum. There are memorials to the Jewish lives lost throughout the country, but they do not memorialize Nazis who died. Contrast this with the American South.  This week Susan Neiman, author of the book, Learning From the Germans, joins Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) to explain what we can learn from the Germans about regret and repentance. They talk about the inspiration for writing the book, how a museum exhibit helped change German opinion, and why language matters when we talk about monuments on an international scale. These are not normal times and we all have the ability to make change. What should our next steps be? Want to help fight voter suppression? Click here to learn about Fair Fight. Find out more about Susan Neiman’s book here. Thanks to our sponsors: Ritual left out mystery additives, synthetic fillers, and shady extras that can be found in some traditional multivitamins. Their delayed-release no-nausea designed capsule is made to be gentle on an empty stomach—and the mint-essenced tab in every bottle makes taking your vitamins a minty-fresh experience. Go to ritual.com/FRIENDS to get 10% off your first three months. Postage rates have gone up AGAIN. Thankfully, Stamps.com eases the pain with big discounts off Post Office retail rates. Stamps.com is a no-brainer – saving you TIME and MONEY. It’s no wonder over 700,000 small businesses already use Stamps.com. Get a 4-week trial PLUS free postage AND a digital scale without any long-term commitment when you go to Stamps.com, click on the Microphone at the TOP of the homepage and type in FRIENDS. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) is joined by Lori Gottlieb (@lorigottlieb1), author of Maybe You Should Talk to Someone. They talk about the route Lori took to become a therapist, how it's informed her practice and the common misconceptions of mental health. They'll also unpack why many are surprised that therapists have their own therapists! Join us for a mindful discussion on the mind, and don’t forget to call your therapist. (Turns out, like the rest of us, they don’t love being ghosted.) Thanks to our sponsors! Grove Collaborative is the online marketplace that delivers all-natural home, beauty, and personal care products directly to your door. Grove’s sustainable swap set is the best and easiest way to get started reducing plastics waste in your home. Go to Grove.co/FRIENDS and you’ll get the FREE FIVE PIECE set from Grove so you can easily swap out plastics. Plus, you’ll get free shipping AND a free 60-day VIP trial! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) joins Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) to talk about impeachment and our favorite Cover(up) girl Mitch McConnell. They begin by contrasting their political differences, and eventually get to where they agree, all through the lens of abortion. Afterwards, they cover our current political moment, despair, and panic regarding the impeachment process. Put in your earbuds, get under a blanket, and make a cup of tea: trust us, you’re gonna need it for this one. Thanks to our sponsors! ThirdLove Does Bras Differently: They believe that every woman deserves to feel comfortable and confident every day. With the right kind of support, they help her do this. Go to THIRDLOVE.com/FRIENDS now to find your perfect-fitting bra and get 15% off your first purchase!  Quip’s electric brush has sensitive sonic vibrations with a built-in timer and thirty second pulses to guide a full and even clean. The quip floss dispenser comes with pre-marked string to help you use just enough. If you go to GETQUIP.com/FRIENDS, RIGHT NOW, you’ll get your first refill FREE. Stamps.com brings all the services of the U.S. Postal Service right to your computer. Whether you’re a small office sending invoices, an online seller shipping out products, or even a warehouse sending thousands of packages a day, Stamps.com can handle it all with ease. go to Stamps.com, click on the Microphone at the TOP of the homepage and type in FRIENDS for a special offer that includes a 4-week trial PLUS free postage and a digital scale. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

CW: Sexual Assault If you or a loved one is experiencing sexual violence, please reach out to the national sexual assault hotline. You are not alone. Please call 1-800-656-4673. This week With Friends Like These goes live and catches some feelings about Peggy Orenstein’s (@peggyorenstein) new book Boys and Sex. Host Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) and Peggy cover why we need to understand boys to try and help them, hookups/hookup culture, and what we can do to make our reality a little less terrifying. Take off your emotional condom, put in your earbuds, and join us for a meaningful discussion on the sexual landscape of college-aged men.  Thanks to our sponsors! HelloFresh cuts out stressful meal planning and prepping, so you can enjoy cooking and get dinner on the table in just about 30 minutes – or even 20 minutes with their quick recipe options! Go to HelloFresh.com/withfriends10 and use code withfriends10 during HelloFresh’s New Year’s sale for 10 free meals including free shipping.   Whether you’re very into sports or planning on getting very into sports, Bombas can help with performance socks in styles made specially for basketball, tennis, running, golf, and more. Go to BOMBAS.com/friends TODAY, and get twenty percent off your first purchase.  Have you heard about this company making stylish shoes for women and girls out of recycled plastic water bottles? Oh, and they’re crazy comfortable and fully machine washable. Rothy’s has quickly grown to a most-loved, gotta-have-them brand. It’s no surprise they have over 1,000 nearly perfect reviews. Check out all the amazing styles available right now at Rothys.com/WFLT. Feals is Premium CBD delivered directly to your doorstep. Become a member today by going to Feals.com/friends and you'll get 50% off your first order with free shipping. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Anne Helen Petersen (@annehelen) joins Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) this week to talk about exactly what you fear when you return to work or school after the holidays: burnout. They discuss what burnout is doing to Millenials (and younger generations) and why the root of the problem is, you guessed it, capitalism. Finally, they examine what one church has done to combat burnout at its economic root, and how their own relationship to religion has healed their burnout. Thanks to our sponsors! Grove’s sustainable swap set is the best and easiest way to get started reducing plastics waste in your home - it has Bamboo straws, Reusable and washable sandwich bags, a Refillable hand soap dispenser, gel hand soap, and a walnut scrubber sponge set. Now, for a limited time when our listeners go to Grove.co/FRIENDS you’ll get the FREE FIVE PIECE set from Grove so you can easily swap out plastics. Plus, you’ll get free shipping AND a free 60-day VIP trial! Stamps.com brings all the services of the U.S. Postal Service right to your computer. There’s NO risk. And with promo code, FRIENDS, you get a special offer that includes a 4-week trial PLUS free postage and a digital scale. No long-term commitments or contracts.  We deserve to know what we’re putting in our bodies and why. That’s why Ritual’s founder is on a mission to reinvent the vitamin industry. Get 10% off during your first three months at ritual.com/FRIENDS. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We’re doing a re-run this week, from one of our favorite WFLT episodes of 2019. Back in April, journalist Eli Saslow (@elisaslow) joined Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) to discuss to radicalization of older people, and how to deal with that one uncle at family gatherings who constantly brings up birtherism of whatever. One of our listeners is a NASA rocket scientist who reached out because she lost a parent to Russian troll-farm memes. There are plenty of success stories for those willing to fight back, and that there is hope yet.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week Chrissy Stroop (@C_Stroop) and Lauren O’Neal (@laureneoneal) join Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) to talk about their childhood fears of hellfire and their new book, Empty the Pews: Stories of Leaving the Church. They discuss how they left their churches, why they did it, and the need for ex-believers to have a seat at the table. Afterwards, they talk about the implications of evangelical Christianity in the public sphere (and how our policies have terrifyingly reflected that). Join us this week for a conversation on what is feels like to have some crazy religious cognitive dissonance. Thanks to our sponsors! Stitch Fix is an online personal styling service that delivers your favorite clothing, shoes, and accessories, directly to you. With no subscription required, pick between automatic shipments or only getting new pieces on demand. Shipping, exchanges, and returns are always free, and Plus, the $20 styling fee is automatically applied towards anything you keep from your box. Get started today at Stitchfix.com/friends and get an extra 25% off when you keep everything in your box!  ThirdLove Does Bras Differently: They believe that every woman deserves to feel comfortable and confident every day. Third Love bras are designed to fit you, not the other way around: Designed with measurements from millions of women, their bra styles are made to fit your life. They have over 80 bra sizes, but know that the only one that matters is yours. Go to THIRDLOVE.com/FRIENDS now to find your perfect-fitting bra… and get 15% off your first purchase! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) joins Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) to talk about how we’ve got political nuclear winter, just in time for Christmas. The Impeachment process has not gone… the best. That we can all agree on. Rick and Ana dive into why, and why you should perhaps not cut deals with a racist crook. Mr. Wilson delivers a heartfelt appeal for voter outreach. It’s not as bleak as it could have been. Thanks to our sponsor: Ritual’s Essentials have the nutrients most of us don’t get enough of from food—all in their clean, absorbable forms. No shady additives or ingredients that can do more harm to your body than good. Two easy-to-take capsules provide nine nutrients you need to support a strong foundation for your health. Better health doesn’t happen overnight, and right now Ritual is offering my listeners 10% off during your first three months! Visit ritual.com/FRIENDS to start your ritual today.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week Esme Wang (@esmewang) joins Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) to talk about living with a brain you don’t always feel like you can trust. Esme Wang is the author of the New York Times-bestselling essay collection, The Collected Schizophrenias. She writes frequently about her experiences with both mental and physical chronic illnesses and advocates for eliminating stigmas surrounding them. They talk about the difficulty of “the diagnosis,” why high-functioning is a loaded term, and what it means find faith (or even spiritual guidance in your dog).  Thanks to our sponsors! When it comes to shopping for clothes most of us are amateurs. So why not let the professionals handle it? With Stitch Fix, a stylist will do all the work for you! With no subscription required, pick between automatic shipments or only getting new pieces on demand. Shipping, exchanges, and returns are always free, and Plus, the $20 styling fee is automatically applied towards anything you keep from your box. Get started today at Stitchfix.com/friends and get an extra 25% off when you keep everything in your box!  FIGS is an amazing company that is making scrubs stylish and functional for the people who deserve it most. FIGS gift cards are available. So next time your doctor, nurse, dentist, dermatologist, or pediatrician saves the day, tell them “thank you” by sending them FIGS. Show how much you care at the end of the year with FIGS! This holiday season, FIGS is going to make that easy by providing you with 15% OFF your first purchase by using code FRIENDS at wearFIGS.com Rothy’s is the company making beautiful shoes for women and kids out of plastic water bottles; AND they are crazy comfortable and fully machine washable too. Plus, Rothy’s always come with free shipping and free returns and exchanges – no risk, no worries, no reason not to try! Check out all the amazing styles available right now at Rothys.com/wflt. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week, host of the You’re Wrong About podcast, Sarah Marshall (@Remember_Sarah) joins Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) to talk about the only American holiday spookier than Halloween, Black Friday. Ana and Sarah discuss misconceptions about the history of the holiday, and how it turned into the capitalist dystopian hell we all know and love. Afterwards, they talked about the intersection of class and the division that the holiday creates. Finally, they talked about the science of crowd control, and why we need to pressure corporations to make ethical changes. Listen this week for some Black Friday tips on shopping and dealing with borderline angry mobs; Worst comes to worst, just start singing some Celine Dion and hopefully the crowd will calm down!  Interested in articles Sarah talked about? Click here for Jdimytai Damour’s story. Click here for a story on the power of crowds. Have any questions about family and politics you want answered on the show? Email withfriendslikepod@gmail.com!  Thanks to our sponsors! Stamps.com brings all the services of the U.S. Postal Service right to your computer. Whether you’re a small office sending invoices, an online seller shipping out products, or even a warehouse sending thousands of packages a day, Stamps.com can handle it all with ease. There’s NO risk, with my promo code, FRIENDS, you get a special offer that includes a 4-week trial PLUS free postage and a digital scale. No long term commitments or contracts. Just go to Stamps.com, click on the Microphone at the TOP of the homepage and type in FRIENDS. ThirdLove uses data points generated by millions of women who have taken their Fit Finder quiz, to design bras with breast size and shape in mind for a perfect fit and premium feel. More sizes than most other brands: ThirdLove offers more than 80 sizes, including their signature half-cup sizes. Go to THIRDLOVE.com/FRIENDS now to find your perfect-fitting bra… and get 15% off your first purchase! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week Ed Schupman (manager of the Native Knowledge 360° Initiative and a citizen of the Muscogee Creek Nation of Oklahoma) joins Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) to discuss Thanksgiving and the surrounding myths. Reflecting on the tragedy that underlies Thanksgiving isn’t easy or fun but Ed has made a career of using Thanksgiving as a way into a broader discussion of Native American History. To truly process the gritty, uncomfortable story of Thanksgiving will require reinventing the American educational system. Listen to Ed unpack a perspective on both the American experience and the practice of gratitude, as he argues that we should be thinking about indigeous history year-round, and practicing gratitude year-round as well.” Resources from the National Museum of the American Indian, and Ed’s curated experience, is available at https://americanindian.si.edu/nk360/ Thanks to our sponsors! Policygenius is the easy way to shop for a life insurance plan that’s not tied to your job. In minutes, you can compare quotes from top insurers to find your best price. Go to Policygenius.com to get quotes and apply in minutes. ThirdLove uses data points generated by millions of women who have taken their Fit Finder quiz, to design bras with breast size and shape in mind for a perfect fit and premium feel. More sizes than most other brands: ThirdLove offers more than 80 sizes, including their signature half-cup sizes. Go to THIRDLOVE.com/FRIENDS now to find your perfect-fitting bra… and get 15% off your first purchase!  Everlane only makes premium essentials, using the finest materials, without traditional markups. Everlane has great products: quality cotton basics, premium Japanese denim made at the world’s cleanest denim factory, perfectly-fit Oxford shirts, and outerwear made from recycled water bottles. Check out our personalized collection at Everlane.com/FRIENDS. Plus, you’ll get free shipping on your first order. In a world of fake news, controversy feels more contemporary than ever—but in politics, it’s a trail as old as time. Follow along from ballot to fallout in Parcast Network’s sizzling new podcast, Political Scandals. Every Tuesday leading up to the 2020 election, Political Scandals will countdown the 52 most scandalous events in American history—uncovering the ugly truth behind some of our most infamous elected officials. Follow the new limited series POLITICAL SCANDALS, free on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What do Goop and Capitalism have in common? Both refuse to go away despite how much suffering they’ve caused! This week Amanda Mull (@amandamull) joins Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) to discuss these topics and more. They begin by talking about fashion, ad-based media, and the ways that we exist within these constructs. Afterwards, they talk about identity and size, fat-phobia, and what we can do to make sure all bodies feel beautiful.  CW: Self-harm and intense discussion of body image. Interested in Material World? Click here for Amanda’s most recent article. Thanks to our sponsors! This episode is sponsored by Magic Spoon, a new cereal company that’s discovered a way to recreate your favorite childhood cereals with zero sugar, 12 grams of protein, and only 3 grams of net carbs in each serving. Magic Spoon spent over a year working with the best food scientists and chefs in the world to recreate the taste and texture of classic sugary cereal, but it tastes so incredible that you'd never guess it was healthy. Go to magicspoon.com/withfriends to grab a variety pack and try it today! And be sure to use our promo code WITHFRIENDS at checkout to get free shipping. Grove takes the guesswork out of going green. Every Grove product is guaranteed to be good for you, your family, your home, and the planet. With Grove, you don’t have to shop multiple stores or search endlessly online to get all the natural goods you need for you and your family. For a limited time, when listeners go to Grove.co/FRIENDS you will get a FREE FIVE PIECE gift set from Mrs. Meyer’s in festive holiday scents like Peppermint or Iowa Pine! FIGS is an amazing company that is making scrubs stylish and functional for the people who deserve it most. So, whether you are one of the awesome humans that works in healthcare or someone that wants to say thanks to these deserving folks, FIGS is going to make that easy by providing you with 15% OFF your first purchase by using code FRIENDS. Head to wearFIGS.com and enter code FRIENDS at checkout.  Ritual’s Essentials have the nutrients most of us don’t get enough of from food—all in their clean, absorbable forms. No shady additives or ingredients that can do more harm to your body than good. A subscription is easy to start. And, it’s easy to snooze. It’s only a dollar a day to have all the essential nutrients your body needs, delivered every month — no strings attached. Get 10% off during your first three months at ritual.com/FRIENDS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) sits down with Robert J. Lifton to remind you how bad things have gotten politically— but that remaining optimistic is not totally insane. They begin by drawing the parallels between Trump and other cult leaders/demagogues. Afterwards, they discuss the followers of Trump, why they remain followers, and how to get them to (hopefully) leave. Tune in for an unexpectedly hopeful episode about deathly cults!  Thanks to our sponsors!   Candid’s aligners can help straighten your teeth faster than traditional wire braces. Treatment takes just 6 months on average. Candid’s aligners are comfortable, removable, and completely invisible. Get your “Photo Ready” smile by the holidays! Go to Candidco.com/FRIENDS and use code FRIENDS to get seventy-five dollars off.      Rothy’s has quickly grown to a most-loved, gotta-have-them brand. It’s no surprise they have over 1,000 nearly perfect reviews. You’ll quickly discover why Buzzfeed called them their “forever shoes.” Check out all the amazing styles available right now at rothys.com/wflt. We all know how important it is to eat healthy. But the reality is, 9 out of 10 people don’t eat enough fruits and veggies. Your Super’s functional superfood and plant protein mixes are made from naturally dried, organic wholefoods/superfoods— nothing else. Get the cleanest superfood and plant protein mixes at YourSuper.com. Get 15% off your order when you use code FRIENDS at checkout.     Stitch Fix is an online personal styling service that delivers your favorite clothing, shoes, and accessories, directly to you. Stitch Fix has the brands you know and love, plus exclusive styles you won’t find elsewhere. After completing your style profile, your expert personal stylist will send you a handpicked box of items based on your style and preferences. Get started today at Stitchfix.com/friends and get an extra 25% off when you keep everything in your box! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices