Word of The Witnesses: 12 Monkeys Rewatch Podcast

Beep & CC are joined by Meagan to discuss 1.13 “These Arms of Mine” & 2.01 “Year of the Monkey” 1.13 These Arms of Mine Fate vs. Free will Pour one out for Aaron Marker Cassie vs. Cole POV debate #1 Foreshadowing the Casserole emotional divide Easter eggs! Jennifer’s first performance Cassie, Jennifer, and... unicorns Olivia & Ramse Hello Dr. Elliott Jones! Green to red The idea of “home” Your one vs. my one Jones has zero f*cks to give Cassie vs. Cole POV debate #2 Ramse & the consequences of not being the protagonist A slightly enthusiastic celebration of an epic romantic moment Time travel as a heightened exploration of relationships There’s nothing more powerful than fate Welcome to the future, Dr. Railly 2.01 Year of the Monkey Season 2 gets right what so much of tv gets wrong A masterful slow burn romance An exceptional execution of a time jump A primary fairytale that begins at the end An epic start to an epic season Olivia’s crumbling faith Mr. Bates pulls one over on us We depend on mother nature and she depends on us Becoming a better man The bromance reconciles, for now Red Forest foreshadowing Grieving who we were only gets in the way of who we need to become Hello, Mantis! Cassie & the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day The Theodore Deacon guide to surviving the post apocalypse Chasing White Rabbits: 12 Monkeys & Alice in Wonderland Jennifer is tragically shackled by her adopted purpose Saving a life: a more hopeful take on post-apocalyptic drama The Jennifer & Cole mentorship ouroboros & choice Cassie vs. Cole POV Debate #3 Casserole is a rare exploration of what happens “after”

Amanda Schull & Terry Matalas join us to discuss the season 1 finale and Cassie's series long journey.

Beep & CC are joined by Meagan to discuss 1.12 “Paradox”. Meagan enters the gauntlet of questions Embracing life’s mysteries High concepts grounded in character & emotional catharsis Finding hope in love An ode to Cassie 1.12 Paradox Jones: science as armor Speaking of paradoxes, hello messengers! It’s the heart that sustains us Dr. Jones, meet Dr. Railly Cassie & agency Evolution takes many forms “I had two mothers” Jennifer uncaged Jennifer & Cassie: evolving identities Cassie & Jones: intersecting journeys of motherhood On this show even a garage is emotional Family roll call #1 The family motto Look into his eyes Memories & the meaning that we give them Family roll call #2 The outline for “One Minute More” Signposts for Cole’s character arc What the Pallid Man & Cole have in common Time Jesus! Recontextualizing the past Casserole: the perfect pacing of a slowburn

Beep & CC are joined by Selina Wilken from Hypable to discuss 1.10 “Divine Moves” & 1.11 “Shonin” Selina enters the gauntlet of questions Why 12 Monkeys is so special Activate #TeamRamse! Social media’s impact on how we watch tv Red Forest spiral 1.10 Divine Move What is a “divine move”? What we do for the people that we love Jones vs. Ramse: are they really that different? Ramse’s moral compass Culpability & fate Ramse’s POV sets 12 Monkeys apart Not the date night Aaron was hoping for Casserole: “You’re alive” vs. “So are you” Unacceptable losses Remembrance of Things Past We’d get drunk too, Cassie Don’t Fear the Reaper Cassie & Cole: subverting traditional emotional gender roles on tv Hello Old Jennifer!!! “Someone someday will judge us…’ 1.11 Shonin Possible meanings of “Shonin” That thing in a box Dear Traveler Ave Verum Corpus Another daughter in a box CLIMB THE STEPS RING THE BELL Water & rebirth This is not the mother daughter moment that we ordered Jennifer & Olivia: two daughters in need of a purpose Our children “make us” “My last breath will be here.”

Beep & CC are joined by Erin to discuss 1.08 “Yesterday” & 1.09 “Tomorrow.” 5:50 Episode rewatch pairing recs to maximize insight (and pain) 9:55 So many yesterdays & tomorrows: same place, different time 10:53 1:08 Yesterday Parallels to Mansfield Park Duped for the first time...and definitely not the last Ok fine, Aaron Marker is an awesome boyfriend...for now Ramse & protecting the people he loves Sons are fated to their fathers Your view on Ramse’s arc may depend on your real world life experience Are Foster & Jones really that different than Deacon? The great Jones vs. Foster moral debate: philosophical conundrum, personal motivations...and dick measuring contest Leaders, lies & utopias premised on sin Jones knows what Jones knows! Relying on “fate” for absolution 1:16:55 1.09 Tomorrow Lofty ideals vs. personal stakes Cassiopeia & Andromeda Shakespeare’s Sonnet 19: time as an enemy A general and lieutenant of two men “So what? Some chick said my name.” The tragic bromance of Ramse & Cole 1001 reasons why the CDC scene is epically tragic & 12 Monkeys is a masterpiece (you may need to adjust your volume) The future always lies with daughters

Don't you.... forget about DEACON! We had the privilege of speaking with Mr. Todd Stashwick about his dramatic exit and re-entry as the culmination of one of the coolest character arcs ever. This man loves Theodore Deacon as much as we do and it was a delight to spend time with him talking 12 Monkeys and general geekery.

CC & Beep are joined by Erin, our friend who happens to be a literature professor. We had a lot of thoughts on the thematic elements of Frankenstein, how every character is reminiscent of the creature in some way, and also love wolves. Time Stamps 5:10 Guest panelist Erin enters the gauntlet: the great red forest query & time as a character 31:05 “Herr Frankenstein”? But first, Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein is not the pop culture version 46:41 Parallels between 12 Monkeys & Frankenstein: the mad scientist, creatures outside of the natural order, isolation, nature vs. nurture, and feeding the two wolves 66:44 1:06 The Red Forest Visions as memories of tomorrow Time is going to take what is owed The most awkward road trip ever Casserole: moral ships passing in the night Well hello, striking woman The many, many meanings of the red forest/the house of cedar & pine 101:12 1:07 The Keys The series is established as one giant feels attack Foreshadowing Blood Washed Away The power of romantic tropes A Frankenstein of Tandoori Chicken Cole’s senses coming alive Death & the importance of now Mythology building: Druse & the custodians of time Wexler as a foil for Cole The Keys & “a better version” of Cole Aaron Marker: come on, he’s not that bad?

Join CC & Beep as we pick the brain of Sean Tretta, 12 Monkeys writer and producer who blessed us with eps like Lullaby, Blood Washed Away, Thief, and Demons. As always, full series SPOILERS abound. Beware. You may be convinced of something unexpected by the end. You're walking through a red forest... the grass is tall...

You asked and he answered! Join CC & Beep as we spend an hour and a half with Mr. Terry Matalas, co-creator and showrunner of 12 Monkeys.

CC, Beep, and special guest Jen have a lot of brain breaking thoughts, feels, and laughs about 12 Monkeys 1.05, The Night Room. Announcements Holy cow, Terry Matalas & Todd Stashwick are coming on to answer your questions! [incoherent screaming] 8:30 - Getting to Know Dr. Jones Happy hour with the boss The importance of conversation on 12 Monkeys Jones vs. Ramse’s moral debate Jones’s room as a metaphor for Jones Utilitarian dilemmas 55:00 - The Night Room! The layers now that we know what we know! AGH! The case for The Pallid Man The Cassie/Cole/The Pallid Man conversation now makes our brains hurt Cole’s journey of self-forgiveness Oh Season 1 Cassie, you sweet summer child “Who’s this bitch?” So many Jennifers Clues to the primary mythology The First Rule of Being Goines Listener challenge: Can you explain how Olivia is the origin of the virus better than we can lol? 1:49:30 - Upcoming Episodes

Join CC, Beep, and special guest Bubs as we cover 12 Monkeys episodes 1.02-1.04. There’s plenty of laughter and blown minds in this one. (You should hear the black holes we cut!) ANNOUNCEMENT: Terry Matalas is coming on the pod! 02:30 - Guest Panelist Bubs enters our gauntlet of feels, answering questions regarding her favorite things about 12 Monkeys 16:30 - Thank you to David Grossman for amazing tv! 17:45 - Mentally Divergent Fun with easter eggs! JENNIFER! Why is the Pallid Man so very creepy? Casserole feels Cole & Jones 59:45 - Cassandra Complex Cassie’s burden One v the many Hello, Deacon! 1:22:00 - Atari The Game Go/Atari Worldbuilding & West VII! Deacon as an antagonist Ramse & Deacon’s tug of war for Cole’s soul Red tea visions! Ramse’s moral POV journey West VII: ride or die LOL Never kill the dog! 1:49:00 “Witness” Marks on a Clock: the sound of our minds being blown

SPOILERS!!!! Well, this didn't turn out so mini after all. We had a ton of tremendous feedback about your favorite moments from 12 Monkeys. Listen in to get to know a little about some other fans and the moments they were most affected by.

In the inaugural episode, BP, CC & special guest, Jen discuss a deep dive rewatch of Episode 1.01 “Splinter” & why 12 Monkeys is one of the greatest television series of all time. Spoilers abound! Hello! We are CC & BP and we will be your hosts 10:22 Why Katarina Jones is the best 17:52 Where we stand on the Red Forest 19:52 Why 12 Monkeys is one of the all time great television shows 46:52 Favorite costuming era 51:34 Ep 1.01 “Splinter” discussion 1:58:32 Listener Feedback Discussion of the week