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Summary: Tired of the same old left /right arguments? Want to throw your shoe at the shouting heads on cable news? Then join Jeff for a look at current events and culture from an integral perspective. Each week he explores emerging trends in politics, economics, science and spirituality, all with an eye toward spotting the evolution and up-flow of human consciousness and culture.

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 Terror and backlash in America: The San Bernardino attack and its effect on US politics | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 50:32

In a world in which there are no mess-free options, says Jeff, "I'm so happy to have an evolutionary view" when trying to make sense of things like the killings in San Bernardino, the first terror attack on American soil with the fingerprints of ISIS. While it's objectively true that violent deaths in the U.S. (and the world) are declining steadily, public shootings have become horrifyingly common here (26 mass shootings just during Obama's two terms in office). These create a special kind of anxiety and terror, one that we are evolutionarily programmed to pay outsized attention to. In this podcast Jeff looks at the range of responses that we've seen in the weeks following this most recent attack--responses that tell us a lot about our country, our candidates and ourselves. A predictable (and evolutionary potent) controversy is underway as to what the U.S. role should be in responding to ISIS, and how we should fight back militarily, culturally, even in cyberspace. Donald Trump called for a halt to Muslims entering the country, apparently determined to keep anyone from getting to the right of him on issues of national security. He taps a long history of xenophobia when Americans have felt threatened, from the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 to the Japanese internments during WW2, to Operation Wetback in the 1950's. But America was a center-of-gravity traditional (amber altitude) country then; we are a center-of-gravity modern (orange altitude) country now. Those of us in the modern majority look back on these historical acts with regret. But the minority of people who are traditionalists feel little misgiving and believe that tough times call for tough measures. These folks now have an unambiguous, unapologetic, tough-guy champion in Donald Trump, to whom they can hitch their wagon...and ride with him to abject defeat. Which will create more modernists (defeated people usually grow). Isn't cultural evolution wonderful? Speaking of which, President Obama has taken a lot of criticism for his nuanced, Jeff argues integral approach to dealing with ISIS. Jeff offers his analysis of Obama’s style. The perennial foreign policy question facing integralists is how to help guide premodern cultures into modernity—a crucially important fulcrum, as violence drops dramatically at this developmental milestone. Jeff advocates an approach similar to that of a parent. "I wish I could think of a better analogy than parenting," he says. "It feels like it's condescending. It makes my green alarms go off that one country could presume to be a parent to another. But from an integral perspective, it's literally true." He explains in the podcast. Jeff also touches on gun control, the polarity between security and freedom, and how it is we allow ISIS to use the most powerful tool conceived by modernity: the internet. Plus, a seasonal message of love and renewal. Have a wonderful holiday and we look forward to seeing you when the Daily Evolver live returns January 5th. Send your questions and comments for the show to jeff@dailyevolver.com. Record a voice memo on your smartphone or use the Speakpipe button on DailyEvolver.com.

 The integral guide to divorce, with Dr. Keith Witt | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 1:03:36

In the previous episode of The Shrink & The Pundit, Dr. Keith and Jeff talk about the history of marriage, what questions to ask as you consider marriage, and above all the challenge of supporting each other's mutual development—what Dr. Keith calls the marital love affair. But for half of all couples the love affair will end, and so will the marriage. A higher divorce rate doesn't necessarily mean there is something wrong with our society. It more likely indicates our changing expectations of a primary partnership, says Dr. Keith. "We're living twice as long as we did a hundred years ago," he tells Jeff, "Women have more power, and the standard of marriage is a fulfillment standard now more than a stability standard." A fulfillment standard is much more demanding, and people are likely to adopt it without a commitment to the practices that maintain it (see The practice of the marital love affair). When one person makes the decision "I don’t want to live with you anymore," from that point on everything is different. For the couple sitting in Dr. Keith's office, the therapy is no longer about resolving marital issues; instead, it's about helping the couple separate with as little pain and expense as possible, says Dr. Keith. Divorce, like marriage, has evolved. No fault divorce is a relatively new option and quite a leap forward from the ritual humiliation of earlier versions of legal separation, when one partner had to prove the other was inadequate or defective in some way. And recently the phrase "conscious uncoupling" entered the popular lexicon when Gwyneth Paltrow and Chris Martin of Coldplay decided to separate earlier this year. Despite how far we’ve come, it's still generally painful and expensive, and it's a huge life transition. But with some work and a little help from an integral therapist, it can be less painful and less expensive. Here are some of the things that Dr. Keith and Jeff talk about in the podcast: —The very real difference in the psychology of the person leaving and the person being left —Divorce as a signature event in a child's life. Should you consider staying together for your kids? —Is there such a thing as an integral divorce, and what would it look like? —The archetype for intimate relationships that was created in our infancy and the lessons it teaches us about how to stay connected to another person —How to use divorce to help your own development and be ready for your next relationship Thanks for listening! Send your questions and comments for the show to jeff@dailyevolver.com. Record a voice memo on your smartphone or use the Speakpipe button on DailyEvolver.com.

 The practice of the marital love affair, with Dr. Keith Witt | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 58:38

The opportunity to cultivate a transformational partnership is not what people have traditionally expected from marriage. But as we evolve, so does this robust yet still somehow fragile institution. Dr. Keith and Jeff begin this podcast with a brief history of marriage, from the days when it was concerned mainly with power, property and family lineage, up to the present where we can choose to experience a conscious, lifelong love affair, a practice that Dr. Keith refers to as "American Tantra". All relationships start in the "as long as" phase. Meaning, "I'll stay with this person as long as…" some need or condition is met. But marriages based on conditions can be unsound, and 50-60% of marriages end in divorce (though 80% of divorced people try again!). As Dr. Keith points out, the true gifts of marriage, and the work, begin to show up when each partner commits to the next stage of intimate bonding: "I'll do what it takes to stay with this person …" If you and your partner are both willing to do what it takes to get back to love, again and again, then your marriage becomes a path of transformation. Dr. Keith also describes how attachment styles that are formed very early in our lives -- some more healthy than others -- determine how we will respond to the conflict in a marriage. The good news is that we are evolving beings and a positive intimate relationship can shift our attachment style from insecure to secure. Having worked with literally thousands of couples as a psychotherapist -- and as part of a 40+ year marriage himself -- Dr Keith has extensive knowledge on what it takes to practice a marital love affair. In this conversation he shares intimate insights on topics such as what questions to ask as you consider marriage, how to deal with conflict and infidelity, progressive bonding, passion and friendship, and above all, the challenge of supporting each other's mutual development. Send your questions and comments for the show to jeff@dailyevolver.com. Record a voice memo on your smartphone or use the Speakpipe button on DailyEvolver.com.

 The holy war on modernity: An integral analysis of the Paris attacks | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 59:23

The recent terror attacks in Paris brought to light, once again, the difficulty in reconciling the values of modern, secular societies like France and premodern societies such as those in much of the Arab world. This relationship is complicated by the past sins of the West, from the Crusades all the way up to the wars after 9/11, which, Jeff explains, "took the lid off Iraq, which has put the Muslim world in arrested development and even in a functional regression since". It may be tricky to claim the moral high ground when you've been alternately toppling and propping up regimes to further your own ends for decades, but between the attacks on Paris and the stream of refugees into Europe, the West cannot ignore what’s happening. Jeff sorts out the cacophony of voices and gives us some perspective. The practice that's available to us is to put ourselves in the shoes of "the other," the hawks and the doves, the refugees and the terrorists. ISIS is not just a pack of psychopaths that want to see the world burn, (dubious consolation though it may be). They have strict beliefs and the'’re recruiting young people who are actually living nihilistic lives in their host countries, where they’re second-class citizens, says Jeff. "There’s no place for them or their God, the animating principle of their lives." This call to wake up and fight is very alluring, even romantic to young men at this stage of development. Jeff offers some insight into how modern and postmodern societies might offer them a path forward that is meaningful and healthy. The media is worked up into a frenzy, as usual, ("I wonder how CNN would've covered D-Day" Jeff says). But welcome to modernity, where ever smaller dangers trigger ever greater responses. While it's progress, to be sure, Jeff qualifies his optimism and reveals the one thing that would completely change the game … and not for the better. Also in the episode, Jeff answers a question from a listener regarding our recent podcast on soul. "If you believe in the unity of everything since the Big Bang, why do you still speak of soul as if it were a separate entity?" Send your questions and comments for the show to jeff@dailyevolver.com. Record a voice memo on your smartphone or use the Speakpipe button on DailyEvolver.com.

 Conversation with Amma Thanasanti: A celibate mendicant talks about sex and money | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 32:56

How does a nice Jewish girl from Burbank, California become a Buddhist mendicant nun -- with integral proclivities? Listen in as Jeff talks with with Amma Thanasanti, a Buddhist teacher in the Ajahn Chah Forest Tradition, who has been deeply influenced by Ken WIlber and integral theory. Amma was traveling through Boulder a couple weeks ago, and stopped by for a spot of tea and a chat about her unusual life and her beautiful, integrally-informed teachings on love, sex and awakening. Amma is conducting a virtual retreat (you attend via skype or phone), over Thanksgiving weekend, 11/27 - 11/29. The topic, appropriately, is gratitude. Find out more at awakeningtruth.org. Some highlights from Amma: "It's not fashionable right now to live a life of alms mendicancy, or renunciation, or a life of simplicity. But in terms of their potency as a tool for clarity I have not seen anything that comes anywhere close. Once I became a celibate my understanding about sex and sexuality increased logarithmically." "One of my lifelong journeys has been to understand the energies of love and sex and to use them in the process of awakening. This is not the languaging that comes through the tradition that I ordained into. That languaging is mostly about restraint, so that one can access and cultivate other qualities of mind. But my experience has been a long process of learning how these energies actually can be transformed and utilized for heart opening and mind opening…and how they can take us to states that are really, really peaceful, very blissful, and very useful for practice." "I teach in a way that speaks to all of the different quadrants, and to making sure that we have lines of intelligence that are developing in many different areas. What I think is imperative is that as many people as possible are in the process of waking up to the highest level of consciousness they have access to."

 Towards a trans-rational theory of the soul | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 56:09

To prepare for the Integral Living Room gathering here in Boulder last week, Diane Hamilton, Terry Patten, and Jeff spent the last year talking with Ken Wilber about the idea of soul. What do the great spiritual traditions tell us about it, and is there a trans-rational conception of the soul that integralists can work with? In this podcast, Jeff takes us on a brief tour of how this idea of the soul shows up at different stages of development, along with Ken’s own emerging ideas on the subject. So is there any part of us that survives this life, any part of us as unique individuals that continues on? Ken says yes, and Jeff unpacks this theory. In the second half of the show, Jeff responds to a question from a listener: "When will you share the microphone with an integral conservative? These terms are not mutually exclusive! Conservative thinkers are not isolationists, or messianic, magical thinkers. Conservatism embodies great wisdom that should be integrated into this conversation." Jeff agrees, and so he spoke to Rich Tafel, integral thinker and founder of the Log Cabin Republicans, an organization working within the Republican party since 1977 to advocate for gay rights. Rich dispels the myth that liberals are postmodern/integral and conservatives are traditional/modern. "My experience is that there are polarities in each of these levels of development," he tells Jeff. So rather than being merely reactionary or obstructionist, conservatism can be thought of as the ever-evolving disposition that wants to preserve what's good at each stage of development. Conservatives and progressives are biased towards different quadrants to explain social phenomenon—the interiors and exteriors, the individual and the collective. This causes a lot of conflict, but that seems to be the way nature moves us forward. We integrate and synthesize the best that each side has to offer, and create something new, and better. Something more integral...

 Towards a trans-rational theory of the soul | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 56:09

To prepare for the Integral Living Room gathering here in Boulder last week, Diane Hamilton, Terry Patten, and Jeff spent the last year talking with Ken Wilber about the idea of soul. What do the great spiritual traditions tell us about it, and is there a trans-rational conception of the soul that integralists can work with? In this podcast, Jeff takes us on a brief tour of how this idea of the soul shows up at different stages of development, along with Ken’s own emerging ideas on the subject. So is there any part of us that survives this life, any part of us as unique individuals that continues on? Ken says yes, and Jeff unpacks this theory. In the second half of the show, Jeff responds to a question from a listener: "When will you share the microphone with an integral conservative? These terms are not mutually exclusive! Conservative thinkers are not isolationists, or messianic, magical thinkers. Conservatism embodies great wisdom that should be integrated into this conversation." Jeff agrees, and so he spoke to Rich Tafel, integral thinker and founder of the Log Cabin Republicans, an organization working within the Republican party since 1977 to advocate for gay rights. Rich dispels the myth that liberals are postmodern/integral and conservatives are traditional/modern. "My experience is that there are polarities in each of these levels of development," he tells Jeff. So rather than being merely reactionary or obstructionist, conservatism can be thought of as the ever-evolving disposition that wants to preserve what's good at each stage of development. Conservatives and progressives are biased towards different quadrants to explain social phenomenon—the interiors and exteriors, the individual and the collective. This causes a lot of conflict, but that seems to be the way nature moves us forward. We integrate and synthesize the best that each side has to offer, and create something new, and better. Something more integral...

 Clinton, Carson, and the American political landscape | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 1:00:02

This week Jeff talks about the sudden animation of Hillary Clinton, both in the recent Democratic debate and in the eleven-hour grilling by the Republicans on the House Benghazi committee. "I want to know who took our boring old school marm Hillary away and replaced her with this sparkling, confident, fluid and flowing woman," says Jeff. Perhaps Hillary needs to be facing down an enemy for us to remember what we like about her. On the other side of the political spectrum there's the ascendency of Dr. Ben Carson, the supremely mellow African-American neurosurgeon who recently surpassed the supremely unmellow Donald Trump, in the polls to become the frontrunner in the Republican primary. What do people see in this man? How does the fact that he's black factor into his appeal -- especially among the most conservative of conservatives? Jeff weighs in. While the inherent human drama of a presidential bid draws us in, it's also interesting to look at the current frontrunners and see what their presence tells us about the deeper currents flowing under the surface of culture. Looking at Clinton and Carson in particular, through an integral/evolutionary lens, we can touch into some enduring polarities that we oscillate between: left and right, male and female, and black and white. Pretty juicy. Then, closer to home, Jeff talks to the beautiful and talented Brooke McNamara about the experience of writing the poems in her new book, Feed Your Vow: Poems for Falling into Fullness. "I feel like my physical body, but also the central energetic channel of my body, was literally ripped open by the process of giving birth. Through that space, this book fell out." We close with her reading one of her favorites. Send your questions and comments for the show to jeff@dailyevolver.com. Record a voice memo on your smartphone or use the Speakpipe button on DailyEvolver.com.

 Clinton, Carson, and the American political landscape | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 1:00:02

This week Jeff talks about the sudden animation of Hillary Clinton, both in the recent Democratic debate and in the eleven-hour grilling by the Republicans on the House Benghazi committee. "I want to know who took our boring old school marm Hillary away and replaced her with this sparkling, confident, fluid and flowing woman," says Jeff. Perhaps Hillary needs to be facing down an enemy for us to remember what we like about her. On the other side of the political spectrum there's the ascendency of Dr. Ben Carson, the supremely mellow African-American neurosurgeon who recently surpassed the supremely unmellow Donald Trump, in the polls to become the frontrunner in the Republican primary. What do people see in this man? How does the fact that he's black factor into his appeal -- especially among the most conservative of conservatives? Jeff weighs in. While the inherent human drama of a presidential bid draws us in, it's also interesting to look at the current frontrunners and see what their presence tells us about the deeper currents flowing under the surface of culture. Looking at Clinton and Carson in particular, through an integral/evolutionary lens, we can touch into some enduring polarities that we oscillate between: left and right, male and female, and black and white. Pretty juicy. Then, closer to home, Jeff talks to the beautiful and talented Brooke McNamara about the experience of writing the poems in her new book, Feed Your Vow: Poems for Falling into Fullness. "I feel like my physical body, but also the central energetic channel of my body, was literally ripped open by the process of giving birth. Through that space, this book fell out." We close with her reading one of her favorites. Send your questions and comments for the show to jeff@dailyevolver.com. Record a voice memo on your smartphone or use the Speakpipe button on DailyEvolver.com.

 The hidden power of political polarization: Relax, everybody, gridlock is a stage on the path | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 1:03:28

A recent Pew Research study demonstrates that the US hasn’t been this politically polarized for 150 years. "...ideological thinking is now much more closely aligned with partisanship than in the past. As a result, ideological overlap between the two parties has diminished: Today, 92% of Republicans are to the right of the median Democrat, and 94% of Democrats are to the left of the median Republican." But there is a silver lining to the legislative gridlock. The tension and friction that arise out of the ideological rifts between the left and the right is a tremendous creative force that wants to give birth to something new. In this podcast, Jeff takes us on a brief tour of the history of polarization in the US as far back as the Revolutionary War, between the British/Tory alliance and the upstart Patriots. Many political polarities are enduring: liberalism vs conservatism, big government vs small government, the private sector vs the public sector—we keep trotting these things out into the marketplace of ideas to duke it out. As a result they evolve, not to a mushy middle, but into larger, more inclusive perspectives that include the best of both poles, resulting in, for example, more socially conscious businesses and more results-driven government agencies. We can even see evolution at work in the way we fight it out--once with muskets and cannons, and now with tweets and sound bites. Progress! At integral stages of development, we leave behind the mono-perspectival thinking of first-tier memes and actually befriend conflict as an engine of evolution. We can practice by inhabiting political polarities with as much integrity as possible, teasing them apart so we can see the components and begin to work with them in an ever more intelligent way," says Jeff. This is the most important practice I've learned while having the privilege of working with Jeff: the ability to relax into multiple perspectives, and see that each perspective offers a piece of the truth. Speaking of polarities, in this episode we also hear from author Steve McIntosh about the final chapter of his new book, The Presence of the Infinite. In Steve's vision of an evolutionary spirituality the infinite shines through the finite via the primary, intrinsic values of beauty, truth and goodness. Listen as Steve and Jeff discuss the chapter "Toward a Method for Evolving Consciousness", which de-emphasizes faith in favor of practices for experiencing the divine in real time. "I don't have a full blown manifesto of the method for the Second Enlightenment," Steve says, "but I'm beginning to explore the possibilities and the premises that make such a method seem possible." Plus, Jeff puts Ken Wilber’s new teaching, Full Spectrum Mindfulness, in the context of an integral/evolutionary spiritual lineage, with an integrated path for both waking up and growing up. Don’t miss it. Send your questions and comments for the show to jeff@dailyevolver.com. Record a voice memo on your smartphone or use the Speakpipe button on DailyEvolver.com.

 The emergence of the postmodern economy: An encore conversation with economic theorist Said Dawlabani | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 56:53

Today we're reposting a conversation that I had last year with Said Dawlabani (author of Memenomics: The Next Generation Economic System) about integral economics. I think his ideas are more relevant today than ever, with even Republicans decrying the disproportionate flow of money to the top 1%. And Democrats, through the candidacy of Bernie Sanders, are challenging the very foundations of capitalism in favor of democratic socialism as we see practiced in Northern Europe. This is all right on schedule. In terms of social evolution, economics is a lagging emergent, one of the last things to transform as cultures move forward. According to Dawlabani we are just now moving from the orange modern economy to the green postmodern economy, a move where the pendulum swings from a focus on individual freedom to one of collective responsibility. (And remember, as the pendulum swings the clock moves forward.) As I wrote at the time: I like Dawlabani's thinking because it helps us understand that despite the endless real-time political battles over economic ideology, larger evolutionary forces are at work, and if evolutionary theory is correct the transformations they will bring are inevitable. Send your questions and comments for the show to jeff@dailyevolver.com. Record a voice memo on your smartphone or use the Speakpipe button on DailyEvolver.com.

 The emergence of evolutionary spirituality: A conversation with Steve McIntosh - A conversation with integral philosopher Steve McIntosh | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 38:10

Steve McIntosh is one of the pre-eminent integral philosophers of our time and his third book, The Presence of the Infinite: The Spiritual Experience of Beauty, Truth, and Goodness, was just published by Quest Books this month. Jeff calls this book "a spiritual masterpiece" that helped him take the next step on his spiritual path. Steve and Jeff sat down together in the podcast studio to talk about it. Presence explores the dialectic between what Steve calls progressive spirituality on one hand and evolutionary spirituality on the other. The former has blossomed into an awareness of nondualism, with the popularity of Advaita Vedanta and Buddhism in the West, while the latter pushes off of this realization to experience the love of God once again—a phenomenon that is fundamentally relational. "Their dynamic relationship produces an interactive structure that takes the form of an existential polarity," says Steve. In other words, they strengthen each other, or "true each other up," as Jeff says. For those of us that graduated from conventional religion to modern empiricism to postmodern explorations of Eastern philosophy and practice, this is a welcome next step to a post-postconventional relationship with the divine. To be clear, this is not a moving-to-the-middle. As Steve explains to Jeff, this is an embrace of an irreducible existential polarity—"to practice nonduality with reference to the love of God, and to practice theism with reference to the absolute oneness of all there is." In Steve's vision of an evolutionary spirituality the infinite shines through the finite via the primary, intrinsic values of beauty, truth and goodness. These are not static, Platonic forms, but rather the direction of evolution itself. Turning towards the relational aspect of ultimate reality we tap into the longing to experience the perfection and completion of the universe, which is always emerging, always becoming. Here, we find value, purpose, progress. We are co-creators. Some themes from Presence that Jeff and Steve talk about in the podcast: The nature of spiritual experience A cultural analysis of the different kinds of spirituality A critique of progressive spirituality and an explanation of its importance The spiritual leadership that evolutionary spirituality can provide Evolutionary spirituality as a distinct emergent that includes the great scientific truths of our age Please enjoy the conversation, and pick up a copy of The Presence of the Infinite on Amazon. Send your questions and comments for the show to jeff@dailyevolver.com. Record a voice memo on your smartphone or use the Speakpipe button on DailyEvolver.com.

 Is the Pope integral? | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 54:11

The recent supermoon/lunar eclipse gave Jeff a chance to wonder about the way we interpret such events at different stages of development. When the world was alive with spirits and omens a total lunar eclipse would be a sign saturated in meaning and mystery. We leave this behind as we embrace a logical, scientific worldview. "Then there's a stage that's post or trans-rational," Jeff says, "where that enchantment can be brought back into a new, sacred world that is not limited by a magic or mythic belief system. It's also not limited by the modern scientistic worldview that says if something can't be sensed and measured it doesn't exist." Here we open up once again to dimensions of life which are beyond our full comprehension and explanation, a place of enchantment that includes and transcends reason. Speaking of including and transcending, Pope Francis has been traveling around the world, defying expectations. There is a sense that he is touching people across party lines and ideologies—not an easy thing to do— which has Jeff wondering, is he integral? Jeff's special guest on the podcast, Fr. David McCallum, a Jesuit priest and friend of the integral community, says there are telltale signs. "Pope Francis is able to transcend people's projections of him and continue to stay fresh. He's got this spontaneity that you’d expect from a post-conventional person." In addition, he lives in a kind of simplicity that takes a high degree of inner freedom, and has integrated the forces of power and love to become incredibly effective inside and outside of the church. "This is very, very sophisticated," says Fr. David, "It's not that you have to be always in the later stages to do so but the ability to wield so much influence and to do it in a way that's not authoritarian or autocratic, that is truly empowering." Fr. David and Jeff also discuss aspects of the Jesuit order that shed more light on who Pope Francis is, like their great history of scholarship. For example, a passage inside Pope Francis's Evangelii Gaudium (Apostolic Exhortation of Pope Francis, 2013), makes a modern, rational argument against abortion, emphasizing the sovereignty of the individual. It's pretty amazing. Enjoy the podcast, and a big "thank you" to Fr. David McCallum for sharing his insights.

 The drama and karma of refugees in Europe - How do postmodern cultures integrate premodern cultures? | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: Unknown

The refugee crisis in Europe, Africa and the Middle East is testing the status quo between the so-called first, second and third worlds. Millions of people have been fleeing war-torn Syria alone. Five hundred thousand refugees and migrants have made it to Europe so far this year. The vertical, developmental differences between these countries is complex. Add to that the horizontal dimension of differing cultures and the history and karma of these nations and that complexity multiplies. What to do? Jeff looks at the policy arguments being made on the liberal and conservative sides of the issue. On one hand, a voice of compassion proclaiming our shared humanity; on the other, a recognition that each European culture is precious and they've worked hard to create safety nets for their people, which cannot support oceans of immigrants. "I want to tease this apart and see if we can find an integration that really includes the best of both of those arguments and both of those perspectives," says Jeff, "because that's what Integral does, it integrates." We also share a couple excerpts of a first hand report from our friend Bence Ganti in Hungary, in the epicenter of the crisis. (You can find Jeff's full conversation with Bence here). Imagine a country the size of Colorado, with double the population, and 5000 immigrants streaming across the border every day, and you have some idea of what Hungary is trying to deal with. "It's a creative moment in history," Bence tells Jeff. And an astonishing challenge that calls for an integral response. Plus...hungry bears descending on Boulder, and Pope Frances' visit to the US (more on that next week). Send your questions and comments for the show to jeff@dailyevolver.com. Record a voice memo on your smartphone or use the Speakpipe button on DailyEvolver.com.

 Firsthand report from Hungary on the refugee crisis: A conversation with Bence Ganti - A conversation with Bence Ganti | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 35:46

Since Hungary is at the epicenter of the refugee crisis currently engulfing Europe, we called our friend Bence Ganti to get an integral, European perspective. Bence is the founder of the Integral Academy in Budapest and producer of the Integral European Conference. In his conversation with Jeff he highlights the differences between the response of the Hungarian government versus the general populace. To understand the attitude of Hungarians towards President Viktor Orban, Jeff suggested I imagine by some twist of fate that Ted Cruz was elected president in the US. Orban's "illiberal" government seems to be moving Hungary backward, much to the dismay of all the people that thought they were voting for the Orban of twenty years ago—the young, democratic Orban, whose Fidesz party (The "Young Democrats") helped lead Hungary out of Soviet authoritarianism into a country that is now a part of the EU and NATO. And while the international news has been quick to label Hungary as xenophobic for erecting a fence on the border, Bence points out that this red/amber altitude action may actually be an appropriate response to this kind of boundary violation; an effort to establish some order in a very chaotic situation. "There is a gate, too, in the fence," says Bence. It's a complex situation and Bence really helps put things in perspective. It's a subject that we'll likely be working with at the next Integral European Conference, which will be held on the shores of beautiful Lake Balaton in Hungary next year, May 4-8. Bence fills us in on how those plans are coming along. We can't wait!

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