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Summary: Jason and Teer are joined by Johanna Hartelius as they check in with Fleming Rutledge. This is part 1 of a 2 part conversation. If you notice some sighs or scoffs, that's just Teer & Johanna noticing how much Jason is kissing up to Fleming.