Understanding The LD50 Lethal Dose 50




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Summary: <br> <br> <br> Stephen Vantassel here wildlife control consultant. Wanted<br><br> to talk today about L.D. 50 and understanding LD 50 as motive. Many of you know<br><br> I’m involved in vertebrate control so the role of pesticides to control<br><br> vertebrates raises a lot of issues and concerns about the relative toxicity of<br><br> some of these toxic loans fume against that are being used to control unwanted<br><br> pest vertebrates. So let’s back up a little bit and talk about the relationship<br><br> between notions of risk and harm.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Now on another podcast I would kind of been deep in the<br><br> notion of risk here, I’m not gonna go as far deep into that as before but I do<br><br> want to give you concept to help you understand the difference between<br><br> understanding risk and understanding what harm is. Because these are two<br><br> different concepts. Risk is the probability or the potential for a negative<br><br> event or the probability of harm that something bad is going to happen harm.<br> <br> <br> The concept of harm is what is the actual effect of that negative<br><br> event so risk is the potential.<br> <br> <br> The likelihood that something bad is going to happen harm is<br><br> it is an analysis or discussion of what that actual negative event actually is.<br><br> So when we’re talking about LD 50. We really focusing in we’re drilling down on<br><br> this notion of harm. What is this. What is the harmful<br> <br> <br> Effects of this particular toxic and or fumigate or many of<br><br> your cases because many of you deal with bugs of this particular pesticide. So<br><br> let’s kind of drill into that a little bit now if you’re heard by other podcast<br><br> you would have heard me talk about how hazard or risk is exposure times<br><br> toxicity.<br> <br> <br> And so we’re going to be focusing not on the exposures side<br><br> but we’re going to be focusing on the toxicity side. That’s that that harm<br><br> element of this particular toxicity. How lethal is this particular element. And<br><br> even under toxicity we have to be breaking it down a little bit more. Our focus<br><br> is going to be on its lethality not the toxicity in terms of its persistence.<br><br> That’s a different question. We’re looking at the acute effects of the problem<br><br> not the long term effects. Now acute effects are typically defined in pesticide<br><br> use as what the effect of a pesticide is that occurs within twenty four hours<br> <br> <br> Long. The long term effects are beyond 24 hours in some<br><br> cases some pesticides may have effects for years. But when we’re dealing with<br><br> LV 50s we’re looking at acute toxic effects. All right so let’s kind of talk<br><br> about<br> <br> <br> Understanding relative toxicity. Now L.D. 50 which stands<br><br> for Lethal Dose 50 percent it’s symbolized as capital L capital D with a<br><br> subscript number of 50 Five 0. That’s typically how it sits it’s so we call it<br><br> L.D. 50 Lethal Dose 50 percent. Now what it is it’s a a formulaic way to give a<br><br> number to how potentially lethal this particular product is and it’s often<br><br> given in the sense of milligrams per kilogram. How much is needed to kill 50<br><br> percent of the test subject. So if you have 20 animals how many how much of the<br><br> dose at a 50 milligram per kilogram rate do you need to kill 50 percent of those<br><br> animals which would be in this case 10 so let’s talk about milligrams and kg so<br><br> a milligram is one millionth Of a kilogram. Now if you’re trying to we know<br><br>