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Summary: John Daley, CEO of the Grattan Institute and City Limits co-author Paul Donegan discussed the state of Australian cities today in the house where Robin Boyd wrote The Australian Ugliness - a classic account of Australian society, how we inhabit our cities, and the consequences of our failure to think about how we live.