Summary: When is "crunch" OK in the game industry? How can it be avoided? Veteran game producer Matthew Burns joins Kirk and Jason to talk about the human cost that goes into making video games. Also: The Division, Disgaea 5, NBA 2K16, and... a Dark Souls MMORPG? <br><br>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a>
