04 - Religion, Myth, Science, Truth




The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast show

Summary: A discussion about Religion, Myth, Science and Truth. It was originally recorded by Transliminal in November 2015. Find the original video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07Ys4tQPRis&t (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07Ys4tQPRis&t) * 0:00 INTRO: PETERSON'S JOURNEY * 9:45 RELIGION: CROWD-CONTROL, NAIVE SCIENCE, OR NEITHER? * 10:08 "They're straw man arguments" * 11:45 Multiple motivational systems, different levels of thinking * 13:32 Fundamental presuppositions * 14:13 Dawkins vs. Christianity: like a "smart 13 year old boy" * 14:44 SCIENTISTS MISREADING RELIGION * 15:52 Different systems of thought, different purposes * 16:00 More than one basic assumption is possible * 17:13 ENTER: DOMINANCE HIERARCHIES * 17:19 What's real is what's persistent across time * 17:33 Dominance hierarchies and lobsters * 17:58 We're evolutionarily adapted to hierarchies * 18:14 HIERARCHIES, RELIGIOUS THINKING, AND SUBJECTIVITY * 18:42 "Being" as not reducible to material reality * 19:12 The road to nihilism and authoritarianism * 19:57 DETERMINING THE TRUTH OF A THEORY * 20:07 Newton or Darwin? Choose one. You can't have both. * 20:20 Nietzsche's "Truth serves life" is a Darwinian idea * 20:38 No idea if our knowledge will help us survive over deep time * 20:50 Answer to: "But look what we've built with it" * 21:20 Crossing Ebola and Smallpox: some science is clearly insane * 22:30 Check your assumptions about reality * 23:45 Darwinism: truth is what enables survival within chaos, period. * 25:03 Dawkins is a Newtonian not a Darwinian * 26:09 Reductionism leaves things out. This has consequences. * 27:27 The pragmatic problem: truth for what? * 28:09 DEEP DARWINISM & RELIGION * 28:15 Religion as evolved knowledge about action * 29:40 American Pragmatist philosophers: the true Darwinians * 30:17 Godel, the stock market and reality * 31:02 TRUTH AS ACTION * 31:44 Truth from the bottom up: lobsters, wolves, humans * 34:27 Ethics: evolved patterns in dominance hierarchies * 39:23 Dogs, chimps, and humans: hierarchy navigators * 44:45 From dominance hierarchies to archetypes: ancient Egypt * 52:36 The soul * 55:50 Jung on Christianity, truth and speech * 59:07 Truth versus the lie * 1:00:52 THE INTELLECT * 1:00:52 The totalitarian intellect * 1:02:43 Have you made thinking your God? * 1:03:38 Attention trumps thinking * 1:04:11 EVOLUTIONARY ROOTS OF WESTERN RELIGION * 1:04:33 Christ as a metahero * 1:04:43 The deep roots of myth * 1:07:00 Chaos monsters * 1:08:55 Myth as behavioural truth * 1:09:37 "Darwin trumps Newton" * 1:10:02 "Dawkins is a rationalist...not a darwinian" * 1:10:07 Darwinian time, Darwinian truth * 1:13:57 Mesopotamian myth as successful behaviour blueprint * 1:17:36 FROM NATURE TO HERO MYTHOLOGY * 1:19:33 Religious stories model being as a field for action * 1:21:13 Our religious task * 1:21:47 Religion as hero mythology * 1:22:30 "You...don't know that you know the story." * 1:23:58 PIAGET AND PRE-RATIONAL MORALITY * 1:25:16 We learn to act before we learn the rules * 1:26:18 Moses the Judge: observer of emergent moral patterns * 1:27:54 "Opiate of the masses" as naive industrial era thinking * 1:28:43 METAPHORICAL THOUGHT * 1:29:11 Hyperactive agency detection module: it goes deeper * 1:31:00 The brain as archetype detection organ