Summary: In this episode, KMO sits down with Daniel Quinn, author of Ishmael, Beyond Civilization, and The Holy, to discuss animism, civilization, population, and tribal ways of making a living. You can find Daniel Quinn's website here: http://www.ishmael.org/ I particularly recommend his essay, The New Renaissance: http://www.ishmael.org/Education/Writings/The_New_Renaissance.shtml