Summary: KMO continues his conversation with Sally Erickson and describes how selling insurance contributed to his education as a podcaster. In the second half of the program, the Lovely Olga K., co-host of the Z-Realm Podcast, and Justin Ritchie, co-host of the Extraenvironmentalist Podcast, traverse a lot of conversational ground with discussions of gentrifying neighborhoods in Brooklyn, Corporations undergoing catabolic collapse, New York city as an environment of plentiful energy that supports a great profusion of ecological niches, and how it is easy to dismiss all potential collapse narratives. Everything seems so stable. Music by Not Waving But Drowning.
