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The big question we’re going to wrestle through on this episode is this: What could healthy team culture look like moving forward? In a season where it seems like everything has changed, some things remain constant - and the need for healthy team culture is undoubtedly at the top of that list. Today we’re going to talk to a team I highly respect in so many ways — the Life.Church team, under the leadership of Craig Groeschel has grown to be one of the most influential churches in the world. But what I appreciate so much is WHY they have gained influence. Their approach to ministry, commitment to health, and generous heart have won them my respect. We have two segments for you today with this team, and I’m so excited for you to hear from them… Part 1 is with Kyle Kutter. Kyle is the Central Group Leader of Digital Technology. If you are familiar with Open Network, Church Online Platform, Church Metrics, or Develop.me, Kyle has had his hands on them all (also, if you’re not familiar with them, I cannot recommend all of these enough). Here is some of what we talk about: Talk to us a bit about Open Network and your church’s heart to resource the “big C” church. What do you see about the church that is recalibrating right now? From a church that has pioneered digital gatherings for churches, is there still a place for physical gatherings? What lessons should we take with us coming out of this season? What about the local church has given you hope? For the second part of our episode today, we focus on their team culture and what makes their team so special. Both members of part two have been at Life.Church for over 10 years and that kind of longevity cannot be bought or shortcut to. Rachel Ricker is the Central Group Ministry Leader for Host Team. Sam Marin is the campus pastor for Edmond, OK, which is the broadcast location. Here’s where our conversation leads us: What do you feel is most special about your house and the culture of it? And what do you hope people remember about your church? What is so special about the culture of your team? What is the difference in carrying culture at a broadcast location vs. a remote location? What do you tell yourself when feedback is coming your way? What does being a culture carrier mean to you? Is there a time where you got it wrong with being a culture carrier? I was so excited to get a chance to sit down with this group of leaders from one of the most influential churches globally and have also had such a profound impact on my own life. Run Strong this week, Brandon After the episode: Evaluate how you carry the culture of your own church. How can you better carry it to your teams? SUBSCRIBE COMMENT LIKE & SHARE We want you in our tribe! Stay connected to all Leading Second has to offer: Website: leadingsecond.com Instagram: instagram.com/leadingsecond Connect with Brandon Stewart Facebook: facebook.com/brandonmstewart Instagram: instagram.com/brandonmstewart Leading Second is an extension of the Team Church tribe. For more information on Team Church Conference and One Day events, check-out teamchurchconference.com or search Team Church on Facebook.

This episode has literally been years in the making. I am so excited to have Pastor Lee Wilson finally join us on the podcast! I can honestly say that Lee has been one of the most significant ministry influences in my life. He came and consulted at the very first youth ministry that I had the opportunity to lead in Minnesota and preached at a winter camp with us (fun story in the episode about that). His fingerprints are all over Leading Second. I have always loved his voice on the platform, wisdom off the platform, and intentionality with which he lives his life. Lee has served in plenty of roles in his years in ministry, including as a lead pastor, but is currently serving as Youth and Executive Pastor at Abundant Life in Syracuse, NY. We kick off this conversation with Lee by chatting about a book he has coming out very soon called “Map Your Life.” It’s a joy to hear his heart behind this upcoming book, which is for this generation to define their God-given purpose. If we are going to run this race and run it to win, we need to have discipline and intentionality be a big part of who we are. Lee says that if you become a better person, you become a better leader. So our big question this episode with Lee is, “What can an intentional, disciplined life as a leader look like?” Some of the questions that we cover in this conversation are: Do you struggle with discipline? If so, how do you regain it when you lose it? What role has a discipline played in leading you into a life of true contentment and peace? What is the greatest habit or discipline you currently have working in your life? Where do you start in mapping out your life? What is the greatest lesson you have learned in leading second? Please do not miss the last 7 or 8 mins of this conversation. Lee speaks to the heart of Leading Second and talks about accepting that as a calling on people’s lives. It was such a joy to have Lee Wilson on this episode with me! I hope this helps you get some structure to the disciplines of your life and lead with more intentionality. Run strong this week, Brandon Resources From The Episode: https://leewilson.life @leewisonlife on IG After The Episode: What discipline can you incorporate into your life and ministry this year? SUBSCRIBE COMMENT LIKE & SHARE We want you in our tribe! Stay connected to all Leading Second has to offer: Website: leadingsecond.com Instagram: instagram.com/leadingsecond Connect with Brandon Stewart Facebook: facebook.com/brandonmstewart Instagram: instagram.com/brandonmstewart Leading Second is an extension of the Team Church tribe. For more information on Team Church Conference and One Day events, check-out teamchurchconference.com or search Team Church on Facebook.

Well, in our last episode, we had a question come in from Taylor Persello, and this week she joins her pastor, Joshua Bingle, for our conversation! He is the pastor of Genesis Church in Spokane, Washington, and is no stranger at all to this space. I love the way he thinks, and he is always one of the first places I go to bounce ideas off. Taylor is a member of the team at Genesis and is involved in so much behind the scenes here with Leading Second, from creating content to helping us stay organized. We are so blessed to have these two incredible people in our tribe. The main question we want to ask them today is this: What impact does my personal health have on my relationship with my pastor? In almost all of our relationships, in church or otherwise, we WILL experience hurts and offenses. When that happens, there’s likely a secret contract or unspoken expectation that is at the root of it. This idea of secret contracts is something that Josh and Taylor introduced to me and has shifted how I think about so many relationships. So I wanted them to unpack that here for all of us. A couple of the questions that we cover in this episode are: What is a secret contract, and where do they come from? How do we know if we’re holding someone to a contract they didn’t know about? What are some examples of secret contracts? We end things off by talking about what healthy contracts look like. I pray that this episode shifts some hearts and reaches people who can get a hold of this idea because I believe it can be so powerful if recognized. Brandon After the episode: What are some secret contracts that you hold others to? Are there any that you need to rethink or rewrite? SUBSCRIBE COMMENT LIKE & SHARE We want you in our tribe! Stay connected to all Leading Second has to offer: Website: leadingsecond.com Instagram: instagram.com/leadingsecond Connect with Brandon Stewart Facebook: facebook.com/brandonmstewart Instagram: instagram.com/brandonmstewart Leading Second is an extension of the Team Church tribe. For more information on Team Church Conference and One Day events, check-out teamchurchconference.com or search Team Church on Facebook.

Back for the first time this season, we have another installment of a series that we do periodically called ‘I Am With You.’ We sit down and have a conversation with a lead pastor and one of their key team members. Before we even get into that, we had a great question come in from a listener and member of the Leading Second team that I really enjoyed. Taylor Persello asked, “How do you lend the credibility of your pastor, to people that you lead or influence, without abusing his name or using the pastor card?” If you lead from the middle, I know that you have dealt with this. It was a great question that led us to an even bigger question, so don’t miss that part of the episode. Well, this week, we have the privilege of hosting Pastor Marcus Mecum and Even Cromer from Seven Hills Church in Florence, Kentucky. Marcus is one of my oldest and first friends in ministry. I first got to know him back when I was a youth pastor, and he actually was as well at the time! And Even has been on staff at Seven Hills for six years now and is currently the business pastor. This church has something so unique in their culture about developing leaders, so that is our big question or idea this week and what I hoped to draw out of them. What does a good target look like for developing leaders? Some of the questions that we discuss in this episode are: How do you develop leaders in the church right now? How do you identify future or potential leaders? If you started over today, what is one thing that you would do? What are some top qualities of prospective leaders? There are so many practical steps that we can take from this conversation and start implementing them into our teams and processes. Let’s focus on elevating the right people to places of influence in our churches. Run strong this week, Brandon After The Episode: Who did you meet this week? How are you going to take that family and progress them into the life of your church? One family at a time. SUBSCRIBE COMMENT LIKE & SHARE We want you in our tribe! Stay connected to all Leading Second has to offer: Website: leadingsecond.com Instagram: instagram.com/leadingsecond Connect with Brandon Stewart Facebook: facebook.com/brandonmstewart Instagram: instagram.com/brandonmstewart Leading Second is an extension of the Team Church tribe. For more information on Team Church Conference and One Day events, check out teamchurchconference.com or search Team Church on Facebook.

Hey, it’s Brandon. We’re interrupting our regularly scheduled programming to bring you a more personal episode today. I want to take a second and thank all of you who have reached out to check in on us or encourage us in any way. It has been such a blessing to be surrounded by an incredible community and so many great friends. We pulled an audible this week, and Lindsay and I just sat down and talked through what we’ve been going through these past couple of weeks. It has been some of the most trying times in our lives. There have been plenty of moments of doubt, fear, disappointment, but God has seen us through every step of the way. Through this whole process so far, we clung to having our foundation in our faith and the importance of community. Those two things have been so important to us. Knowing that no matter what happens, God will provide, and God is there for us. We’ve been driven to the feet of Jesus. And we can’t say enough about the support that we’ve had from the people around us. We would not want to walk through this alone. In walking through this, we wanted to show the other side of what people typically see on social media, or anywhere else we share about our lives. Beyond the filters, beyond the highlights, beyond the perfect lighting and staged poses, people have real lives. These lives can be messy and complicated. Just because you don’t have the experience you see of others while scrolling through Instagram, don’t look down on yourself or think less of your own situation. People see the perfect baby photo. We’ve wanted to show the NICU pictures. The captions about what we’re struggling with. Lindsay and I hope that this episode is just encouraging to you. Whatever you may be walking through right now or in the future, lean into that foundation of faith. Embrace the community around you and if you don’t feel like you have one, reach out. You’ve found a community in Leading Second. Run strong this week, Brandon and Lindsay SUBSCRIBE COMMENT LIKE & SHARE We want you in our tribe! Stay connected to all Leading Second has to offer: Website: leadingsecond.com Instagram: instagram.com/leadingsecond Connect with Brandon Stewart Facebook: facebook.com/brandonmstewart Instagram: instagram.com/brandonmstewart Leading Second is an extension of the Team Church tribe. For more information on Team Church Conference and One Day events, check-out teamchurchconference.com or search Team Church on Facebook.

For the second week in a row, we have another introduction to the Leading Second family! My conversation today is with Brad Lomenick. If you’ve been around church leadership for very long, he likely needs no introduction to you. But for the uninitiated, Brad is one of the visionary leaders who launched Catalyst! A podcast, a conference, and a group that has taught leadership to many thousands of people through the years and has had a considerable impact on churches worldwide. Most recently, Brad’s focus has been advising organizations and building connections with young leaders who will outlast him and build something greater than he could. He breaks down the lie of needing to go from big to bigger. Brad has a wealth of leadership experience and knowledge, but the one big question that I wanted to talk to him about is, “What are some habits of a healthy leader?” That leads to conversations about creating rhythms, having an ownership mentality, and anticipation. A few of the other questions we ask Brad: When was a time where you led from the middle, and what were some lessons you took from it? What is something you’ve learned about leading up? What was your inspiration for writing H3 Leadership? What would you say to somebody is needing to recalibrate this season? How do we keep our hunger alive? Right now is the perfect time to take some risks. We have COVID as a built-in excuse. So try some new things out! Run strong for the Kingdom this week, Brandon Resources: www.catalystleader.com “H3 Leadership” by Brad Lomenick “When” by Daniel Pink After the Episode: How can you be a leader who anticipates this week? i.e., what things can you take off of your Pastor/Leader’s plate? How can you create the best rhythm this week that allows you to flourish and thrive at your maximum capacity? Be the Chief Innovation Officer this week in your role. Have the courage to try something out. SUBSCRIBE COMMENT LIKE & SHARE We want you in our tribe! Stay connected to all Leading Second has to offer: Website: leadingsecond.com Instagram: instagram.com/leadingsecond Connect with Brandon Stewart Facebook: facebook.com/brandonmstewart Instagram: instagram.com/brandonmstewart Leading Second is an extension of the Team Church tribe. For more information on Team Church Conference and One Day events, check-out teamchurchconference.com or search Team Church on Facebook.

We have a first-time guest to the Leading Second Podcast, but she is a fast friend to our tribe and me. I am so excited to introduce Kadi Cole! Her professional resume speaks for itself, but Kadi was in leadership for 16 years at Christ Fellowship Church in Palm Beach Gardens, Florida. She served in key leadership positions as the church grew from 3,500 to 23,000 and launched eight additional campuses. Her final role was as Executive Director of Multisite as she oversaw all campuses. She has since launched her personal business, Kadi Cole and Company. And her newest passion project is helping church leaders who want to do a better job developing the female leadership talent in their congregations. She even has a new book that was just released on that very topic! As we’ve done every week this season, we have one big question for our guests, and this week, the question is, “What disruptions should the local church embrace in this season?” Kadi is an absolute expert on leadership development, church multisite, and growing staff and volunteer teams from within your congregation. She has a wealth of knowledge and wisdom in so many topics. We start our conversation by talking about her latest passion, which is women in ministry. Two things that Kadi has said and stuck out so much to me are, “suddenly, every church is a global church” and “communication is the new excellence.” We spend the bulk of our conversation unpacking these statements. The metric is no longer just butts in seats on a Sunday, so what does that look like now? And how can we thrive through disruption? We wrap things up by talking about diversity in ministry. This is a unique conversation with somebody who has such a unique voice, and I cannot wait for you to listen. Every interaction I’ve had with Kadi has left me both encouraged and challenged in the best possible way! I hope this conversation leaves you the same. Brandon *editor’s note: Brandon, Lindsay, and Zane just welcomed baby Glo into their family this week! Head over to their socials and show them some love and support! Resources: https://www.kadicole.com Kadi’s new book is “Find Your Leadership Voice In 90 Days” After The Episode: What ladies in your ministry can you identify this week that are not living to their fullest potential? Invite them to the leadership table! “Connection is the new excellence.” How can you effectively connect with your team/guests this week? (Relationships, noticing people, caring for them, praying in person, etc.) SUBSCRIBE COMMENT LIKE & SHARE We want you in our tribe! Stay connected to all Leading Second has to offer: Website: leadingsecond.com Instagram: instagram.com/leadingsecond Connect with Brandon Stewart Facebook: facebook.com/brandonmstewart Instagram: instagram.com/brandonmstewart Leading Second is an extension of the Team Church tribe. For more information on Team Church Conference and One Day events, check out teamchurchconference.com or search Team Church on Facebook.

We are back for part two of my conversation with my Pastor, Kevin Gerald! Honestly, we were just getting started with what we released last week. We just let the tape keep running and ended up having to split it into two episodes, and part two is even better than part one. Before we dive back into this conversation, I talk for a few minutes on the thought that connection is the new excellence. In a time that it is so easy to let people on our teams slip through the cracks, it is even more critical than ever that we are checking in and really caring for and connecting with those on our teams and in our churches. You never know the impact that a simple text or phone call can have on somebody. Our big question for this conversation is still: How can I build trust with my Pastor? Well, we jump right back into this conversation where we left off, and we start it with a bang! We talk about the lost art of honor and making serving a part of who you are. Hopefully, that leaves you with a desire to buck the trends of not trusting leadership and encourages you to always be serving. We close this conversation by talking about what Pastors look for before empowering others and giving ownership. Empowerment is the end goal for most people, and trust is the currency to get there. I pray this conversation leaves you refreshed and with a new drive to build trust with your leaders. Brandon After the episode: How can you start and/or continue to build trust with your Pastor this week? Matthew 13:44 is the parable of the hidden treasure. What fields can you mine for treasure in? Are you connecting with your teams and the people under your leadership? Take initiative: What is the next move? How do I build and grow my team? SUBSCRIBE COMMENT LIKE & SHARE We want you in our tribe! Stay connected to all Leading Second has to offer: Website: leadingsecond.com Instagram: instagram.com/leadingsecond Connect with Brandon Stewart Facebook: facebook.com/brandonmstewart Instagram: instagram.com/brandonmstewart Leading Second is an extension of the Team Church tribe. For more information on Team Church Conference and One Day events, check-out teamchurchconference.com or search Team Church on Facebook.

It’s always so exciting when I get to have my Pastor, Kevin Gerald, on the podcast. Not only because he was the first person to get behind me and help support and champion this thing along, but because I attribute so much of who I am and what I know to him. That is why we have him join us in this space once a season, so hopefully, you can glean some of the biggest lessons I’ve learned in life and leadership. We went way over on our time, but it was so good that we’ve split this conversation into two episodes, but we’ll have part two for you next Thursday! We had another excellent question come in from one of the people in our tribe. David says that he recently stepped into a new role leading a team and wants to know what steps he can take to cast vision? As we’ve been doing every week this season, we’re going to tackle one big question. In my eyes, one of my most significant accomplishments in ministry is the relationship that I have with my Pastor. It’s something that has taken work and time to develop. Trust seems to be the currency that leads to so many greater things. So our question this week (and next week) is: How can I build trust with my Pastor? We spend a little time breaking down a huge barrier that I know some second-chair leaders face when being honest with their leaders. We get a peek into the head of a lead pastor of 30 years on what he thinks when his team comes to him and are honest about themselves if they’ve dropped the ball in some area. His answer to this might be the opposite of what you would think instinctually. Here are some of the questions that we cover here in part one. What are some of the things that leaders on our team have done that have created a healthy relationship with you? What are some things that have broken or deteriorated your trust? How have you seen that trust is built in your space? How important is communication to you? We close part one of this conversation, talking about the importance of getting communication right with your Pastor. It’s on you to chase them and find ways to get in those circles. It’s also up to you that you show up prepared for those moments. I hope this gives you some freedom from any entitlement that so many face today, expecting their leaders to chase them down. We are just getting started and you are not going to want to miss part two of this conversation next week! Brandon After the episode: How can you start and/or continue to build trust with your Pastor this week? Position yourself this week to be a student and novice of your Pastor.

It’s another Thursday, and that means another episode of the Leading Second Podcast! We have a heart to see the local church be healthy in this season and my prayer for our tribe is unity for us towards our pastors and leaders. I believe that division is the biggest challenge facing the church today (we have a great episode all about that in season three with John Morgan), and I pray that we are part of the solution, not feeding into the problems. That’s where this episode starts today. I share some of my heart and prayers in this season in an opening segment before diving into our conversation. We got another great question from one of our listeners for this week’s episode! (4:16 if you want to jump to that) Our question that we tackled in this episode is, “When do we stop focusing on what was and shift to what is?” Please, if you ever have any questions that you’re facing right now or trying to wrestle through, don’t hesitate to ask. That is what the Leading Second community is all about! And finally, I’m so excited about our guest for this episode. Back to the podcast for the second season in a row, Julian Lowe! (Listen to our last episode with him if you missed that as well) When I first met Julien, he was an Executive Pastor at Oasis Church in Los Angeles, but is now the Lead Pastor there! I’m always fascinated when I get a chance to talk with pastors who have been on either side of that role. So from 11:39 through 27:02, we talk through his ministry life and what those various roles looked like, how he stayed the course, remained humble and healthy, and he shares some excellent advice and wisdom from his own personal journey in that time. Our big question if the week is (28:06), “What does a healthy, effective leader look like for the coming season?” Julian shares some unique insights on this episode. He challenges what we think “great” is and what it takes to BE great. He also shares some traits that he believes are going to be needed by leaders right now. This episode finishes up with him talking about ways that he stays fresh right now. I challenge you to listen to this episode and find something to take away and apply to your life right now. There is so much gold in this conversation, and I am so blessed to have Julian in my life. Run healthy this week, Brandon After the Episode Questions to ask yourself and your team this week: How has God given you grace or an anointing for the challenges you are facing? What are some practical habits you can implement this week to recover and continue leading strong? Follow Pastor Julian’s lead, and evaluate your day today. Ask yourself: How’s my soul today? How did my day go? Consider how you are doing, and ask the Holy Spirit to give you wisdom for tomorrow. SUBSCRIBE COMMENT LIKE & SHARE We want you in our tribe! Stay connected to all Leading Second has to offer: Website: leadingsecond.com Instagram: instagram.com/leadingsecond Connect with Brandon Stewart Facebook: facebook.com/brandonmstewart Instagram: instagram.com/brandonmstewart Leading Second is an extension of the Team Church tribe. For more information on Team Church Conference and One Day events, check-out teamchurchconference.com or search Team Church on Facebook.

It’s only the second episode of this new fourth season, and we’re already mixing it up! We want to switch things up every once in a while this season, and this is one of those episodes. We gathered a panel of executive pastors and campus pastors. These are some incredible second-chair leaders, who sat down with me, and just got to fire away some questions that they’ve been having this past year as they navigated leading during COVID-19. This panel is from churches of various sizes, different demographics, and from all over the country. I was so happy to sit down with Jeffery Davis from Verve Community Church, Nick Dekold from Lakeshore Church, Sarah Nelsen from The Well, Stephanie Blanton from Freedom House Church, and Dillon Ritchie from Coastlife Church. The goal of today’s episode is just to share some wisdom, and our big question is, “What does leadership look like during COVID-19?” There isn’t exactly a playbook on how to lead during a pandemic. Our pastors have some of the same questions that we’ve all been asking ourselves. There is so much uncertainty right now, and we need constant flexibility. So what does leadership look like, and how do we lead well from the second chair right now? I believe the questions asked were some that so many of us have been facing this past year. We tackled real problems that we’re facing and had some excellent conversations wrestling through these topics together. Here are the questions and topics we cover in this episode: What advice on developing healthy relationships would you give pastors/ leaders transitioning into new roles or churches during this time? We live in a world where people are worshipping opinion over God, self over others, and convenience over the church. In what ways can we support our Pastors in challenging worldly culture, which sometimes causes people to exit the church and at the same time focus on mobilizing the church for growth? For those of us who have gotten the opportunity to return to in-person gatherings, one of the hurdles I think many of us have experienced is re-building our Serve Teams. What are some ways or maybe some methods that can help re-engage our church family in serving? What are some things that I can do as a second chair leader to help continue to move the vision of the church forward in a time of uncertainty and during a season where everything seems like it has been put on pause? When the church (The Christian church as a whole) is under so much pressure, our Senior Pastors need us to hold their arms up more than ever. How can we do a good job of this when we ourselves need someone to hold our arms up? How do we tap into support while we are their support? I pray this leaves you with some practical wisdom so we can all lead at our absolute best. Run strong this week, Brandon After The Episode: What are you doing as a leader right now to fill in the gaps that you see? What practical steps can you take to create and guard alignment with your Pastor and your team this week? SUBSCRIBE COMMENT LIKE & SHARE We want you in our tribe! Stay connected to all Leading Second has to offer: Website: leadingsecond.com Instagram: instagram.com/leadingsecond Connect with Brandon Stewart Facebook: facebook.com/brandonmstewart Instagram: instagram.com/brandonmstewart Leading Second is an extension of the Team Church tribe. For more information on Team Church Conference and One Day events, check-out teamchurchconference.com or search Team Church on Facebook.

New year, new look, new perspective, new season... same Leading Second. We are back with season 4 of the Leading Second Podcast and we’ll be bringing you new episodes every Thursday this Spring!! This first episode of the season is dropping on Leading Second’s fourth birthday and we couldn’t have lined up a better guest to get things kicked off and started on the right foot. Our guest today has become such a great friend to me, as well as anybody who regularly listens to this podcast. He is a campus pastor at Elevation Church, a team builder, and honestly one of the absolute best second chair leaders in the world. Our conversation today is with the one and only, Larry Brey. Things look different today than they did a year ago. We’ve gone through a season of change unlike most of us have ever experienced before. Things that used to work, no longer work anymore. The needs people have right now, are not the needs that we were addressing a year ago. The solutions that we had for problems, need to be adjusted now. And things that seemed so important, we’ve realized, are maybe not quite as pressing. So… Where do we go from here?? That is the big question that we tackle today. With everything that has gone on and everything that has changed, what now? Pastor Larry is filled with so much wisdom, and this episode is packed with great takeaways that will help navigate this season of life and ministry. Some of the questions that we tackle in this episode are: How have things changed? What good do you see that this season has brought out of leaders and the local church? What do you think the leaders who will thrive in the coming season look like? What would you say to the leader who is experiencing alignment issues right now? Pastor Larry even opens up a lot about some of his own struggles this past year. So if you’ve felt isolated in this past year or like you’re facing challenges by yourself, know that you’re not alone in any of this. We’d love for you to join our community and tribe on Facebook because we are all better together. If you get nothing else out of this episode, be sure to catch Pastor Larry’s prayer for second chair leaders towards the end of the episode. He is somebody who prays continually for people in our shoes. I hope this episode leaves you encouraged. Until next week, let's run strong and in health. Brandon Stewart

This week I am joined by Brandon Catoe, Ryan McDermott, and Dave Simiele. These incredible men are all leaders at Christ Fellowship Church, under the leadership of Pastors Todd & Julie Mullens. Christ Fellowship Church is a thriving, life-giving, multi-site church in South Florida. I had the opportunity to be with them for a leadership gathering almost a year and a half ago, called Church United. Their team and their culture so impacted me that I’ve been looking forward to having them on the podcast ever since. There is something so unique and authentic about their culture. Like all of us, they are wrestling with life after COVID, as well as organizational clarity and restructuring. We can glean a lot here, so grab your team and let’s join this conversation with the team from Christ Fellowship.

This week's episode is another conversation taken from an online meet-up. If you're not already, I'd love for you to be a part of our tribe over on Facebook at The Leading Second Collective, so you don't miss out on these. They are so fun and prove to always bring us conversations that leave a mark. We've had Kayla Stoecklein on the podcast before, so if you haven't heard that, I definitely recommend going back and listening to that episode as well (Ep. 054). Her story is truly incredible. Since her last time on the podcast, she has come out with a book! It's titled "Fear Gone Wild: A Story of Mental Illness, Suicide, and Hope Through Loss," and it is brilliant and has truly life-saving potential. We get to hear a bit about the book and her heart behind it. One of my favorite things about Kayla is how she prioritizes mental health and tries to break the shame associated with talking about it. She gives us permission to be human. In this season, I've had a reborn commitment that leadership health is far more critical than just leadership ability. In this season, we've seen that the lasting leaders are the ones who have committed to personal health. If anyone reading this has had moments or seasons of burnout, depression, challenges with your mental health, or you just want to stay healthy… this conversation is for you. Resources mentioned in this episode: Leading on Empty by Wayne Cordeiro

The leadership game changes for every generation. Millennials are almost 40 now and Gen Z are coming up on 25. Are you a Gen Z leader? Maybe you lead a team of them? If you don’t already, you’re sure to lead them in the very near future. Wherever you are on that scale, this conversation is for you! I hope this speaks to Gen Z leaders themselves, as well as to the pastors or people who are leading Gen Z. Our Conversation today is with Noah Herrin. Since the last time we had Noah on the Leading Second Podcast, he’s recently moved to Atlanta, GA where he is now on staff at Neighborhood Church. He is also the author of a new book! It’s called Viral Jesus: How One Man Broke the Algorithm Forever. I had such a great time talking to Noah about how we view and approach ministry today. We both have recently sat on the thought of digging the wells deeper in our own lives and truly focus ministry on making disciples. Those things don’t always come with big crowds and sexy titles but are so necessary. My hope in today’s conversation is that it will help us to be sharp and effective in leading a new generation of leaders and Christ followers called Gen Z.