Listen, Learn & Love Hosted by Richard Ostler show

Listen, Learn & Love Hosted by Richard Ostler

Summary: Welcome to our podcast! My name is Richard Ostler (twitter:; FB:; IG: and am a native of Salt Lake City. I am the author of "Listen Learn and Love: Embracing LGBTQ Latter-day Saints at Amazon ( and Deseret Book ( I am the author of two recent Ensign articles on ‘How the Savior’s Healing Power Applies to Repenting from Sexual Sin’ (August 2020/YSA Digital Only) and ‘7 Tips for Overcoming Pornography Use’ (October, page 72) I have degrees from the University of Utah and Brigham Young University (business). I married my best friend and eternal companion Sheila Juergens of Houston, Texas in 1990 and we are the parents of six children and several grandchildren and live near Cottonwood High School in Salt Lake City. I believe in and am deeply committed to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and want it to work for a wider group. The name ‘Papa Ostler’ resulting from being introduced to Twitter by my High School age son Matt in 2010. I wanted the high school age youth to know I wasn’t their age as I interacted with them … hence the name Papa Ostler. I served as a YSA Bishop in the West Valley City/Magna area of Salt Lake (released in 2016) and met some of the finest people I will ever know. In addition to meeting with wonderful active members of my Ward, I reached out and connected via social media (mostly via the private messaging features of FB and Twitter) with many of our inactive members and their non-member friends. Over time, many felt comfortable meeting with me and sharing their stories. Through hundreds of interviews and ‘listening to understand’, I was able to ‘see’ the church from the eyes of those on the outside. Many feel the church is their ‘spiritual home’ but feel uncomfortable attending for a variety of reasons such as work-in-progress testimonies, concerns about church history, feeling unworthy because of past or current sin, don't fit the cultural mold, role of women, are LGBTQ and/or feel God's LGBTQ childen should be more welcomed in our congregations, etc. This podcast is designed to 'Have a Conversation' about some of the more complicated issues in our church to help all of us 'listen, learn and love' so we can minister in a more effective way to all of Heavenly Father’s children. Most podcasts will be from our LDS LGBTQ friends to give them voice so we can better understand their road, touch their cross, learn from them, and minister to them as directed by President M. Russell Ballard when he said "We need to listen to and understand what our LGBT brothers and sisters are feeling and experiencing. Certainly, we must do better than we have done in the past so that all members feel they have a spiritual home where their brothers and sisters love them and where they have a place to worship and serve the Lord(Nov 2017 BYU Devotional)." Some podcasts will be from LGBTQ allies sharing their experiences and how to be helpful. Other podcasts will be from guests talking about other complicated topics such as mental health, returning from a mission early, overcoming sin, and faith challenges. Are podcast are indexed by category at Thank you for joining us. You can't donate to this podcast. There are no sponsors. But you can leave a review/rate the podcast on the platform you are listening. With love, Richard 'Papa' Ostler ❤ *I will respond to your e-mails*

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 Episode 23: Richard Ostler LGBTQ Viewpoint | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 00:27:10

Podcast describing my LGBTQ viewpoint from the perspective of a faithful and believing Mormon. Based on this Facebook Post:

 Episode 22 Jaxon Washburn: Active Latter-day Saint Shares Millennial Perspective | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 01:22:15

My good friend Jaxon Washburn, age 19 helps us understand our younger members. Jaxon is currently at Arizona State University working on a degree in Religious Studies and is preparing to serve a mission. He is deeply connected to many religions and shares his testimony and belief in our Restored Church. Jaxon talks about our younger members and addresses common traits, relevant data, difficult issues, how church leaders can better reach this group, and his experience. I believe people like Jaxon represents the future of our Church and I have great faith in and hope for the future as I listen to and learn from our younger members.

 Episode 21: Cynthia Winward: Active Mormon Woman Shares Her Perspective | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 01:03:55

Cynthia Winward helps us better understand woman’s voices in the church so we can do a better job of hearing this voices, seeing things from other perspectives, so our Restored Church can work for more of our members. Thank you, Cynthia. You are strong, capable and a great example for me and so many.

 Episode 20: Cruz Soto: Remarkable Man. Remarkable Journey to Join the Mormon Church. | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 01:03:18

Cruz Soto shares his journey from the streets of California into the Mormon Church. I was honored to be Cruz’s YSA Bishop and see this journey first-hand. Listening to Cruz’s story will help us better minister to all our members. Cruz is joined by his dear wife Kelsi Soto. Podcast based on this Facebook post:

 Episode 19: Richard Ostler speaks about LGBTQ at Utah State University | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 01:17:31

Richard Ostler Presentation at Utah State University on Tuesday, April 25th on how to show kindness, love, compassion and respect to God’s LGBTQ Children. Church owned LDS Living wrote the following article based on this presentation.

 Episode 18: England Manchester Mormon Missionaries and St Michael and All Angels Church | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 00:55:48

Ellis Ivory (former Mission President) and Brent Brown (former Missionary) tell the story of holding an all-mission conference in 1979 in this historic 12th Century Church. Brent Brown and his wife Mona return in 2016 and learned of a fundraiser to ‘save the bell tower’. Brent talks about ‘returning the favor’ of 37 years ago and organized a fundraiser among these missionaries. In 2017, President and Sister Ulrich went to Hawkshead to present a check for $20,000 and share all the door-opening experiences that followed.

 Episode 17: David Ostler (former Mission President, Stake President) Discusses LDS Faith Crisis | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 00:39:42

David Ostler (my good brother) as his dear wife Rachelle are active members of the church living in Virginia. Dave has served as a Mission President, Stake President and currently as Service Missionaries. As part of that assignment, they reached out to members who no longer attend to better understand the ‘why’ behind why they left. On this podcast, Dave will discuss how we can better minister to those who are struggling or who have stepped away and a new web site called he designed to help local leaders better address this topic.

 Episode 16: Don and Debra Coe, Parents of a Wonderful Gay Son | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 01:05:35

Don and Debra, active members of the church, share their family journey to love and accept their gay son Lincoln and his husband Robert. The Coes give helpful advice for parents, local leaders and LGBTQ people. The Coes talk about how most of their local Mormon community supported/attended the wedding reception for this same-sex couple ... in the same way ‘we’d support a straight couple.’ The Coes also share a tender reconciliation between their son Marshall and Lincoln/Robert on Mother’s day a week before Marshall suddenly passed away and their work to prevent LGBTQ suicides.

 Episode 15: Chris Gallagher (Gay, RM, U of U Student, Dating Men) | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 01:25:14

Join us as my good friend Chris Gallagher shares his life journey growing up in the Bay Area, serving a mission to Uruguay, BYU, leadership role at USGA at BYU, transferring to the University of Utah and starting to date men. Hearing Chris’s story ... even if some of it is outside of the doctrine of our Church ... helps us to better understand our LGBTQ brothers and sisters. Thank you Chris for bravely sharing your story.

 Episode 14: Temple Recommend Question #7 (Support/Affiliate/Agree) | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 00:07:54

I'd like to share some my thoughts on this question from the perspective of a deeply believing and committed member. These are my thoughts only. I do not speak for the Church. Perhaps my thoughts will be helpful to both our members and those doing Temple recommend interviews.

 Episode 13: Masturbation (for a mature LDS Audience): | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 00:23:43

Thoughts on this topic from the perspective of a former YSA Bishop. Based on this Facebook Post

 Episode 12: Is life in the LDS Church the Same for a Single Gay Man as a Single Straight Woman? | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 00:22:49

If we look closer, these are two very different roads. This podcast addresses these differences so we can all better minister to our LGBTQ members. The podcast is based on this Facebook post from June 2017

 Episode 11: Nine Suggestions For My Single Male Friends to Find Their Eternal Companion | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 00:19:49

Podcast on finding your companion based on my our experience to find my wife and from working with many during my YSA assignment. Based on this Facebook post

 Episode 10: Ben Schilaty, Gay Active LDS Member | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 01:20:34

Ben currently attends BYU where he is getting his Master's in Social Work and teaches Spanish. Ben shares his journey coming to terms with his sexual orientation, coming out to his friends at BYU, staying active in the Church and broadly sharing his life story as a Gay Mormon.

 Episode 9: Is She Wearing Her Garment In That Wedding Dress Photo? | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 00:17:34

This podcast discusses cultural judging in our Mormon culture and how we can do better to help everyone feel like they belong. It is based on a Facebook post from May 2017 that went viral with over 10,000 shares. See


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