Wag Out Loud
Summary: The Wag Out Loud pawdcast started as a passion project that would help all of us to be the BEST advocates for our dogs’ health and wellness. After many amazing guests, intriguing topics and incredible feedback, the WOL pawdcast is hitting a nerve with dog lovers all over the world. Why is it that over 50% of our dogs are getting cancer? I believe it is because of the extreme toxic load that are dogs are taking on from not only their poor diets, but from their environment as well. We can do so much better for our dogs, but first we need to be educated on how to make the right choices for our dogs, to help them lead longer and healthier lives. Our short and succinct episodes (about 30 mins each) feature experts in the fields of canine health, nutrition, and wellness as well as recommendations about products and services that I've used, know, like and trust and have found to enhance the lives of dogs. My name is Krista and I am the host of the WOL pawdcast. After receiving my certification in canine nutrition and noticing that most dogs are getting sicker and living shorter lives, I have become obsessed with bringing experts and dog enthusiasts together in committed community. Together we can learn about the most updated science, treatments, protocols and products that will benefit both the mental and physical health of our pups. I continue to learn something every single day. This show mostly features topics and opinions from those in the holistic and integrative veterinary health industry. We address things like dental health, over vaccination, nutrition, benefits of feeding raw, gut health and the immune system, common canine diseases, aging issues, behavioral issues, cognition and so much more. You love your dog, right? And you want to provide them with the best life possible. Let’s learn together. No matter where you live, your financial status, how many dogs you have, if they are a pure breed or mixed, we have something for every dog parent on the planet. Dogs are such amazing creatures and are a part of our families. As research continues, we are learning more and more about how they enhance our lives. It’s time to give back all of the unconditional love that our dogs show us. They are here to teach us so many things…we just need to know how to listen. Nothing and I mean nothing, in the dog industry is regulated. That includes food, treats, supplements or the manufacturing of dog products. It really is like the wild, wild west and we have to do our own research on products, ingredients and materials. We can’t be fooled by false marketing claims. This is the only podcast that focuses on practical, actionable tips and strategies to help your dog to thrive. Tune in for the latest research, science-based information, natural alternatives and inspiration for ensuring you are making well-informed decisions, when it comes to your dog’s health and happiness. Just think of Wag Out Loud as the ultimate resource for the dog lover who is on a quest to provide the best care for his/her canine companion(s). I am the guide that helps you to navigate the landscape of conflicting and confusing information in the ever-growing pet health space. Listen in to all of the Wag Out Loud pawdcast episodes and be sure to tell your dog-loving friends about the Show. Your dog will thank you!
Hi, thanks for being here. This is Krista with Episode #153 on the Wag Out Loud pawdcast. Have you heard that feeding your dog a raw food diet is unsafe? Or maybe that raw food has a much higher potential for bacteria contamination? Well, that is false. And a recent study debunks that myth and confirms the safety of raw pet food. Yay! Now this is a mouthful, but the title of this study is called The Low Number of Owner Reported Suspected Transmission of Foodborne Pathogens From Raw Meat Based Diets Fed to Dogs and/or Cats. It was written by independent researchers and published recently in the journal Frontiers in Veterinary Science. And the authors of this study found that not a single confirmed case of raw pet food transmitting disease-causing microbes to humans, was reported in the entire world. And this is great news and hopefully gets more pet owners to think differently about feeding a species appropriate diet to their pets. Welcome to the Wag Out Loud pawdcast, where we are obsessed with bringing you helpful tips on canine health care, nutrition, and overall wellbeing. If you'd like to support the show, check out the amazing online events, products and resources that I personally recommend on the Wag Out Loud website. I'm your host, Krista and I'm super excited to be bringing you yet another tail wagging episode. Jim Nelson and Rene Agredano created Tripawds in 2006 when their dog Jerry lost a leg to cancer. The Tripawds Foundation now hosts 1800+ three-legged dog and cat blogs with numerous pet amputation resources and assistance programs. They tell the whole story in their book, Be More Dog: Learning to Live in the Now. Welcome all dog lovers! Today we are having an inspirational chat with Jim Nelson and Rene Agredano, who created Tripawds, and they are going to cover Loving Life on Three Legs, how Tripawds is helping all amputee pets. So Jim and Renee have been on the calendar for quite some time. So I've been looking forward to this. If you both can please introduce yourselves and tell us why you started Tripawds. Sure, happy to do that. Thank you for having us here. I'm Rene and I am known as Jerry on the Tripawd website. Jerry was the whole reason we started Tripawds, but we'll talk about that in just a sec. I'm Jim and I am admin at the Tripawds blogs and forums, and we'll get into what Tripawds is like Rene was saying, but she acts as Jerry, because Jerry was our first dog. And you can explain how that turned into what we do. Yeah, so Jerry was our first dog. He was a German Shepherd mix who had all four legs when we adopted him as a puppy. And he was our Chief Fun Officer of our business, we like to joke and call him that because he was the one who broke up our day and got us outside. We've always worked on our own, and we were starting a business and Jerry came along and, and really showed us how to have fun during the day. This was way back. This was 1998 when we adopted him. That was a long time ago. He was an awesome dog. And we went hiking, we did beach trips, we did all kinds of fun things together. He was a very active dog. So when he started limping at eight years old, we thought it was kind of unusual. And we took him to the vet. And the vet said, Well, it's probably arthritis, he's getting old. Here's some NSAIDS. Go home, and this should take care of it. Well, it didn't. And about three visits later, we were really frustrated looking for a reason why our dog was still limping. And that's when the veterinarian technician took us aside one day as we were leaving the clinic, and she told us, Hey, I think you guys should get a second opinion. How about you just go to this other clinic up the road and do this very discreetly? And he told us, yeah, and she said, I think we should try try another place. So we did and that veterinarian said I don't know. So she sent us over to University of California Davis. And within about 15 minutes, we had a reason why Jerry was limping. Cancer And that’s when we discovered dogs get cancer. Up until then, we didn't even know what osteosarcoma in canine forelimbs meant. Then we learned dogs get cancer and long story short, Rene sat me down one day and well, we proceeded with the amputation but we were lost and alone not knowing how he would pee. You know, we had no idea if he could ever swim again or what hikes would be like so we turned to YouTube and saw a video of a Great Dane digging up a gopher with one front leg. And we thought, if that dog can do it, Jerry could do it. And on Thanksgiving Day 2006, the surgeon came in and led Jerry out of the hospital hopping along with a smile on his face. And Rene sat me down and said, Let's sell everything. Let's let's, you know, sell the house, buy an RV and travel with Jerry, since he only has six months to a year to live, they say. So we made a promise to him to hit the road. And after six months, we hit the road and he lived two years and loving life on three legs. Oh my gosh, you guys, that is an incredible story. And obviously Jerry’s situation was for a reason. He was here to help out so many more dogs. And you are sharing that message of Jerry.’s So you're living out the most amazing dream, I can't thank you enough for taking that step. And I just think it's so amazing how adaptive dogs are. If they become blind or deaf, or in this instance, you know, a limb is amputated. They just acclimate. It's just incredible. So I love what you guys are doing. What is Tripawds? Why did you put together this organization? The Start of Tripawds Exactly. That first couple of years on the road, we just started a little blog at Tripawds.com. And that's P A W in the middle… Tripawds, just to share videos and photos of Jerry loving life on three legs. But then we started getting tons of email from people with different types of dogs and different types of cancers. And we installed discussion forums, and then we added a live chat. And now, Tripawds is a network of 1800 plus three legged dog and cat blogs, live cat videos, we've got the Tripawd Talk Radio Podcast, sharing information from credible sources, because we don't want anyone to ever feel lost and alone like they did. So we created a community of support because the animals usually adapt pretty quickly. And the people freak out. Yes, that's how it usually is. What you were saying about animals being resilient. We didn't know that when we agreed to have Jerry’s leg amputated. And and we really thought he was going to be this sad, sad dog when we brought him home. And the first lesson we learned was that Jerry just wanted to get on with life. He wanted to continue doing what he always loved to do. And that was a lesson that that took a lot of learning over and over again. He just kept showing us look, I'm okay, I'm okay. And then other people learned from that. And then other people learned from them. I mean, it was just like this this wonderful chain of events. That happened once Jim put up those discussion forums and other people could we could all share stories and support one another so that we could see that there is a light at the end of the tunnel after amputation recovery. Right. And what did you to learn about Osteosarcoma, because it is more prevalent than a lot of people realize. Yeah, that came as a really big shock. So this was, you know, like we said, this is way back in 2006. And veterinary oncology was just becoming a thing. But you know, we just we didn't even know that dogs got cancer, we thought we did everything right with him. And we kept blaming ourselves, maybe it was his diet, maybe it was his environment, we had no idea what caused the cancer. And as more people started coming over to the Tripawds website, we started learning, man, this is this is a lot more prevalent than we even realized. And other types of limb cancers, too, that can cause amputation, like mast cell cancer, or soft tissue tumors that aren't cancer, but they can invade the vascular system in the limb and require an amputation. So you know, one of the first lessons we learned was deal with the pain first, chemotherapy and and all that stuff to treat the actual cancer. That's your second decision you can make later but first, help your your animal get out of pain. And unfortunately, amputation for a lot of those cancers is the the fastest way to go to help your animals feel better. We learned with especially with bone cancers, that amputation it won't cure the cancer, it won't get rid of the cancer, but it will get rid of the pain because a bone tumor is just going to continue growing and really degrade that bone causing a pathological fracture and it’s a way to help improve the quality of life after surgery. That makes sense. Well, let's get into this. Let's assume that we have a dog that needs an amputation. I mean, after the surgery, of course, there's a lot to think about. So if you both wouldn't mind, I'm just going to bring up a topic and if you can just expand on that. That would be great. Sure. Happy to do that. Well, let's talk about once the surgery is complete, pain management, what options are there? How long are you probably treating for pain? What does that look like? Pain Management Oh, wow, you know, I would say that the the number one factor that can make or break an amputation recovery is pain management. And it actually should begin before the surgery happens. So we really encourage people to have a conversation with their vet, and ask what kind of pain control is my dog or my cat gonna get? And what does that look like? How often do I need to give them medication? What are the possible side effects? How do I know if I'm giving too much or too little? It's really it's a separate conversation with the vet before surgery. Because a lot of vets have found that if you start giving gabapentin, which is a nerve pain reducer, we start giving that before surgery, when those nerves are severed during the procedure. Afterward, they aren't as angry. So you get your dog started on that or your cat started on that before surgery. And then afterwards, it makes recovery just a little bit easier. There's really no standard of pain management that like, like a recipe for every animal because each animal is different. And cats have different needs than dogs. But in general, they should come home with an NSAID, Gabapentin, and oftentimes, a lot of animals are now coming home with a drug that was given during the procedure. It's called Nocita and it's a three day injectable pain reliever which makes those first three days a lot easier. Okay. And are you familiar with any maybe more natural supplements that people have found useful maybe in conjunction with actual medications, you know, whether that's CBD, THC, any other anti inflammatory maybe? Natural Treatments Um, as far as that goes, you know, that's really something to discuss with your veterinarian. There's a lot of really good quality cannabis based products out there. But because amputation is just such a major surgery, it's really not the time to solely rely on any kind of non pharmaceutical pain relievers. You can certainly talk to your veterinarian about incorporating them. But honestly, you know, we have found that the things that help the most are the ones that come from a pharmaceutical prescription. And also, laser therapy is definitely something that helps. Acupuncture, that can help during the recovery process as well. And as far as CBD goes, that's a real hot topic these days. But Rene is speaking as a certified veterinary cannabis guide. That's a thing now. It's a certification process. And she knows what to look for and how to read a certificate of analysis. But there are natural things like hot cold therapy, especially right after treatment, a hot cold compress applied the right way, the cool is going to reduce inflammation while the warm is going to increase circulation. And if you do that periodically and end on cold all the time, you can help reduce the amount of swelling and bruising and that sort of thing. Oh yeah. And then there's also an EMP therapy. So the Assisi Loop and pulsed electromagnetic frequency. That's also a natural remedy that people can try. It's hit or miss. I've heard some people say their their pet responded really well. And I've heard some people say they didn't notice anything. There is another product called a feral block blanket, which is a product for human amputees that we have found works really well in cats and dogs. And it's just a sheet of fabric with a mesh, a metal mesh embedded into the layer, very lightweight. And what it does is it blocks electromagnetic frequencies, from your pets environment, in order to promote wound healing and reduce any kind of nerve pain that's aggravated by this EMF flooding around your home. There are also two very important all natural modalities per se, when it comes to you know, helping the animal through recovery. And one is moderation of activity. You know, unfortunately, there are vets out there that still say, you know, here's your pain meds, go let him be a dog. But that's to an extent if we moderate their activity and keep them confined and play brain games to stimulate them and keep them engaged, that can really go a long way to a quick speedy recovery. And the other one is our human emotions. The dogs are going to adapt and overcome and persevere. Whereas the people who freak out the most have been the worst recoveries we've seen. The people with the dog having the worst time tend to be the people who are you know, picking them up and going everywhere and hand feeding them because the dogs get used to that behavior and then that goes on and on. But regardless, when it comes to actual pain and nerve pain, we stick with the tried and true pharmaceuticals and we recommend people speak with certified pain management experts or go to an AHA accredited clinic that's the American Animal Hospital Association, because they have certain guidelines that are very current. Like for instance, many vets tend to disagree on how effective Tramadol is when it comes to actual pain management unless it's used as part of a multi modal approach. Okay, well, Jim and Rene, I am going to stop you right here. This is a great chance to take a quick commercial break. We will be right back. A special thanks to the team at Tickless USA for being our monthly sponsor. 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Hello there! This is Krista with Episode #152 on the Wag Out Loud pawdcast. Have you checked out all of the amazing trusted brands that I highly recommend? These are products that I've tried on my dog Winston and that I know, like and trust. Products that will also help your dog to thrive. Just go to https://www.wagoutloud.com/ and check out the trusted brands section. And I've negotiated discounts for most of the products, so why not see what can make a difference in your dog's life. According to the 2021-2022 American Pet Products Association, National Pet Owners Survey, dogs continue to run as the most popular type of pet owned by 54% of US households compared to cats, owned by 35% of households. This equates to an estimated 69 million US households that own at least one dog. A big shout out to all of our awesome dog owners! Welcome to the Wag Out Loud pawdcast, where we are obsessed with bringing you helpful tips on canine health care, nutrition, and overall wellbeing. If you'd like to support the show, check out the amazing online events, products and resources that I personally recommend on the Wag Out Loud website. I'm your host, Krista and I'm super excited to be bringing you yet another tail wagging episode. Doggy Dan is the creator of the 'Dog Calming Code ™' and has helped over 57,000 people successfully train their dogs using the simplest, gentlest, and most logical way to change their dog’s behavior. Dan is an author, speaker, was the Judge on Dog Almighty and was the featured celebrity Dog Trainer on The Real Housewives of Auckland. His mission is to share his kind, gentle and unique approach of creating and building deep connections between dogs and their owners so we can change the world of dog training, one dog trainer at a time. Hello dog lovers! Today we have Doggy Dan with us and he is going to share THE biggest mistake in training your dog. So Doggy Dan, I want to welcome you to the Show. We've had this on the calendar forever. And Doggy Dan is actually coming to us from New Zealand, which I am so jealous. He's in his campervan, you guys. Oh, how cool! So Dan, I'm gonna ask you to introduce yourself and what makes your approach to dog training different because let's be honest, dog trainers are a dime a dozen, you can find them everywhere. So what makes you different? Different Methods I'll explain what's different. And then we can dive in. And yeah, the biggest mistake, we’ll cover it all. So basically, obviously, my real name is not Doggy Dan, but that's the name I'm gonna go with. It’s just easy to remember. And I've had a lot of different jobs. I was a policeman, a civil engineer, a teacher, a math teacher, and salesman, and I just wanted to find something I was so passionate about. So basically, I set up as a dog trainer, found a phenomenal approach to training dogs that I'm so excited about sharing with you. And it was so powerful, I decided I had to set up an online training program. And that's what I set up over a decade ago, one of the first in the world. People didn't even know what a membership site was back in 2009. I had to explain to people how you could train your dog, they thought your dog actually sat in front of the screen and watched the videos. But um, over 60,000 people have used that program, and I then set up a Dog Trainer Academy to train people online. So we've got people all over the world doing that. And yeah, I've been to over 3000 houses and shared with people, one on one, what's going on with their dog. And it's really the kind of the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff is how I see myself. So my area of expertise is people whose dogs are aggressive, and they don't understand why pulling on the leash, behavioral issues, you know, separation anxiety. I love to help people understand what's going on with their dog, because I'll be honest, I don't think the standard of dog training is very high worldwide. Especially not in the Western world, it's probably in my opinion it’s probably lower than a lot of other places. Believe it or not. No, I totally agree. So you just mentioned behaviorist, what is the difference between a dog trainer versus a dog behaviorist? What is a Dog Behaviorist? Great question. So in my opinion, everything I'm saying here is my opinion Take it or leave it. I don't mind but… So in my opinion, a trainer kind of just is I would say just it's not just it's a trainer is more focused on... Look, there are trainers who are behaviorists and there's behaviorists who do more training. So let's get that sort of straightaway. There's some people who have in their name. I mean, my my website says The Online Dog Trainer, but I'm actually a behaviorist. So that kind of just proves that point. Behavior I would say is where you're looking at how the dog’s emotions and where the dog is coming from at a far deeper level than pure training. Training is more about repetition in my opinion. You know, it's about shaping, it's about saying, No, I want you to do this, I want you to do this, I want you to do this, I want you to do this exactly right. And it's more kind of repetition, reward based, treat based. You can have corrections in there. But it's, it's more trying to get the dog to do what you want them to do. I would say a behaviorist is going a bit deeper and saying, Well, let's have a look at what's really going on in the dog's nervous system, the dog's mental state, it's a far deeper kind of approach to why the dog is behaving like they're behaving. That's, that's how I would name it or explain it. And that's why I love your program. You are putting yourself in the dog's body and mind, literally, you know, where so many trainers they use the clickers or the treats, which is really bribe/reward. You know, if you do this, I'll give you this. But nobody that I have found, besides you is addressing the why. Why do we need to approach it this way? So when did you figure all that out? It's been a long process, it didn't happen overnight. I would say, the more dogs I worked with, the more the penny dropped for me that hang on, we're speaking a different language. And the biggest mistake I would say, in dog training is we are speaking different languages. You know, we speak, you know, English, or whichever words, we speak, human speak, the dog speaks dog speak. And the biggest mistake we're making is we're trying to force the dog to think like us, we're trying to get them to understand English. Well, hang on, if we're so smart, wouldn't it be wiser if we actually learn how the dogs think, and feel, and communicate and what's going on? I mean, imagine it like this, if we speak English, and we meet a French person, and all we ever do is keep speaking English. And the poor French person doesn't speak English, and they speak French. If we could learn French, then we can communicate so much better. And it's kind of like that with a dog, we’re just expecting our dogs to think like a human. So the flip side of what I do is almost I say, Well, hang on, let's learn to think like a dog, let's really understand what's going on in a dog's nervous system or body. Because some of the actions we take are, they're so damaging to dogs, and we have no idea how damaging they are. And when I say damaging, I'm talking about behavioral state of the dog. So we do stuff on a daily basis, nearly all of us. Unless you're very, very, very aware of the approach that I'm talking about thinking like a dog, we do stuff which says to the dog, let me put it in these words, we say to the dog, you're in charge, you're the boss, you protect me, you protect the property you lead, you make the decisions, you do what you want. And then we try and train the dog. So it's backwards. We say, You're in charge. You don't know what you're charged. No, listen to me. Come here, do that. No, you can't do that. Dogs go, well, hang on, hang on. Hang on, hang on. All right, so you're advocating for the dog, which is going to be better for everybody. But in essence, are you really training the people? Yeah. It’s not the dog. I mean, I’ve got the most hilarious stories where… the one that springs to mind that I've got hilarious stories. But let me just finish my sentence before I move on to the story. Where I don't touch the dog. I've done nothing with the dog and the behavioral issue disappears. It’s proof. Yeah, I mean, there was one lady where, you know, I've had this so many times with dogs are barking and aggressive around the property. And the way I work is I go to people's houses, and I sit with them, and I chat to them. And I quote, quote, work with the dog. Because really, I'm not working with the dog as much as just relaxing state of the house and relaxing everybody. And I'm just talking in the dog relaxes around me. And next thing, you know, the dog isn't barking at the persons who walk past the front of the house. And that's why I'm there. And I'm saying so you told me that, you know, this has happened so many times you told me that the dog attacks the window. And when people walk past. Well, this lady just walked past. Yeah, that's rather strange. And then another person walks past they go, that's really strange. I've never seen this happen before, which is the classic sentence. He's never done this before. And then there was one situation where they said, but you wait till you get the lead. When you pick up the lead, he will go berserk and he pulls so hard. He's injured my arm. Anyway, you know, I've been there an hour, and I decide and I haven't touched the dog. And I said, Well, let's get the lead out and see how it goes. And they're laughing thinking you wait, you wait. I picked up the lead and the dog just laid there. And they said I honestly remember them saying sort of. Oh, he hasn't seen the you've got the lead. I said but normally he would oh yeah normally be jumping up and down. I stand up with a lead and he looks at me I said, Well, he can see me now. Yeah, but you haven't called them over. Wait till you call them over. And I said Rover come here, I Rover walked over calmly all four feet on the ground. And I can see their mouth, their jaws are hitting the ground. Because normally he'd be jumping up mouthing them pulling, put the lead on. And they are absolutely gobsmacked because normally he's yanking them to the front door pulling, he's perfect. And I haven't touched. And that's happened so many times, we're not talking five or 10, we're talking probably 50 or 100 times that exact situation, the dog did not need training, the dog was pretty much saying, Well, if you're in charge, you can walk first, I'll walk calmly with you, but not with those owners until they learn my language. That's why I love watching your videos, the course is just phenomenal. And for each area that you're working on, it doesn't matter if your dog has the same issues or not everybody can learn from each instance, each video has the most amazing aha moment that we can use with our own dogs. And that's what I just love is you're in the dog's mind. And shame on us as people. Many of us have turned our dogs into either literally our children, or they know that they have behavioral issues. But they work their lives around that. Maybe I have a leash aggressive dog. Oh, well, I have to walk my dog at 2am When there's nobody else out there. No. We can live in harmony. And as you said, if our dogs just understand what we want, we can live harmoniously and have an amazing life. And that's what I love about your program. It's really simple, you just have to do it. Yeah, it's it is it's very simple when we understand what we're doing wrong. But when we do it wrong repetitively on a daily basis for years and years, it doesn't matter how long you are training your dog in the wrong way, if you're speaking Chinese and the other person speaking Dutch, then.. Yup, you're not going to get anywhere. All right, well, let's just dive right into it. We're all dying to know what is THE biggest mistake when it comes to training our dogs? THE BIGGEST MISTAKE IS… Well, on a practical level, and I wanted to put this out here just so people can get an idea of what I'm talking about. On a practical level, the biggest mistake the fastest way, in my opinion, having worked with 1000s of dogs that you can I say screw your dog up kind of mentally kind of confuse them as to who's in charge is to leave food on the ground for your dog to control. So if anybody has a behavioral issue, and you've got a dog who grazes or eats half the food, and then leaves half the food in the bowl or comes back later, they're controlling the food and you basically you'll never win convincing your dog that you're in charge if the dog’s controlling the food and that includes bones and pig's ears and rawhide. You I can opened up Pandora's box. Well, Dan, we take a yeah, this is going to be great. Cool. We're gonna take a quick sponsor break. So hold on everybody. We are going to be right back. Thanks so much to the team at System Saver for being this month’s feature sponsor. Dr. Baker’s Canine System Saver is an outstanding all-natural supplement that promotes healthy aging. Originally created by a veterinarian to help restore health and soundness to dogs suffering from chronic inflammatory and degenerative conditions, this is one product that does so much! Perfect for: arthritis, hip dysplasia & joint support, chronic dermatitis, inflammatory and autoimmune diseases, and geriatric support for successful aging and quality of life extension. At 13 yrs old,my dog Winston has a better quality of life and has found so much more energy being on this amazing product!” Now with the start of allergy season, System Saver works wonders on canine allergies as well. Learn more by going to http://caninesystemsaver.com/ to relieve your dog’s discomfort naturally. And as a bonus, Wag Out Loud listeners can take advantage of a 10% discount by using the code WOL10 at checkout! Here we are back with Doggy Dan, who just blew my mind before we went on that commercial break. Can you repeat Dan, what is THE biggest mistake when training our dogs? Yeah, so the biggest mistake in my opinion when you're training your dog is to leave food down for your dog. And the reason being is, as we mentioned before, you have to learn to think like a dog, you can't think like a human being. And yet, to be honest, even if you think like a human being, it's not the smartest thing in the world. You know, a lot of a lot of what I talked about with dogs is, you know, if you think about raising children, which I know they are different species, but so many things are the same. You know, leaving, leaving a bar of chocolate for your child to eat at any point in time is not the cleverest way to be a parent, partly because you can't, you can't motivate them to do something, if you have, you know, they've got eaten chocolate all day. And then you say, Hey, can you help me wash the car, and I'll give you a piece of chocolate, they're not interested. But there's something even bigger than this going on with food with a dog. With dogs, you have to think of food is life and death to a dog. What I mean by that is, we take food for granted now we've got cupboards full of food, and most of us have food kind of you know, it's what you want to eat not is there enough food to survive. Whereas to a dog, there's still more more about survival. Food keeps them alive. You can almost think of food is like money to us almost. That money is so powerful to us, you know, the more money you have, the more more you can do. And with the dogs think of the food as almost like money. And when you give your dog control of the food. I think the analogy I've got is it's like giving a child $1,000 every week. You get them way too much control way too much power, way too much importance, they can do whatever they want, they don't need you pretty much. If I'm if my child had $1,000, and he was spending on those cars, he got to eat what he wanted. Imagine a 16 year old boy, you give him $5,000 Every week, he's gonna get into trouble in no time. Because he doesn't need you probably isn't going to come home the first few nights because he's going to be staying at his mates, party get up eating what he wants, doing what he wants. He’s gone. So what happens with the dogs is when you leave food on the ground, you pretty much give them the message. They're in charge, they can do that what they want. And it's almost impossible. I've found if they're controlling the food, there's food, and it's impossible to convince them otherwise, doesn't matter if you do all the other things, right. It almost negates everything else. So you're not a fan of free feeding. Obviously, they get fed their meal, or meals. And then yeah, if there's anything left over… Food? You walk away, you pick that bowl up. Yep. And I have tried and tested this. I have come at this from so many different angles. Like I'm like a scientist and detective. I've analyzed this. And I put tests and tricks down to test this theory. And every single dog has proven the theory to be correct. No dogs ever got worse. No dog, let me repeat that no dog out of 1000s and 1000s have ever deteriorated in behavioral long term short for a few hours or minutes or days. They may. But long term, no they always improve when you take control of the food. And some of the things dogs will do. They'll go to extraordinary lengths to control that food. So the dogs would pick up biscuits and move them into another room. I mean, it's just hilarious. Right or, or they leave there was one lady. She actually had a Whippet cross Pitbull. I’ll never forget it. Interesting breed with a cross Putbull. And I said to the lady, does he always eat all his food? And she said yes, yes, yes. Well, we fed him there and then. And then when he'd finished his food, quote, quote, finished, I went to have a check in the bowl. There's just two or three biscuits left. I said to her, there’s a couple left. She said yeah, he always leaves a couple. He comes back later and eats them. I said really? He always leaves a couple of biscuits. She said, Yeah. I said, Well, why do you think he does that? She said, Well, I think either he doesn't see them. Or he's full. I thought about it, I thought can't see them? This is a dog who’s nose can pick up a biscuit if 20 yards away hidden under a bush . And full? She was putting a random scoop of biscuits in the bowl every day. You know how much a dog can eat if they need to. It wasn't full. It wasn't like these posh English people who leave a little bit of food on their plate. You know. The dog was basically saying I'll save that for later I control the food. I'll come back and and sure enough, we pick the bowl up as soon as the dog’s finished and walks away. And within a few days the dog stopped doing it. And his behavior improved. But I got so many stories about food and dogs controlling the food. It's incredible. Wow, this is brilliant. Because on this Show, of course, we talk about food as the base of our dog's health. You know, this is the foundation. So hopefully all of our listeners are doing the best that they can, feeding the best that they can. What happens. You know a lot of people have one dog and you're focusing on one dog. What if there's a household with more than one dog? How do you address that one dog’s issues? In terms of the feeding or in general? Well, with feeding, if I have a multi dog household, and we want to make sure that they know they're not in control of their food, does everybody eat at the same exact time? Yeah, so with the training program that I share with people, it's really a case of the same principles are applied to all the dogs in the household. So we used to have five dogs in our household. And when we fed the dogs, we said all dogs come on dinnertime. We would round them up and put five bowls down and say, wait, wait, wait, it's quite a quite fun thing to watch five dogs all waiting, okay. And they'd all eat. And they'd all eat. And this is the whole point they there was no, nobody leaving anything. Of course they'll then check each other's bowls at the end. One thing in your video series, which I thought was just amazing that I tried is that with your dog's bowl before you put it down, act like you are eating from the bowl first. Now, pretend I'm grabbing a piece and I'm it's delicious. And then I'm putting it down for my dog. And that was a mindset shift for him and for myself. Yeah, you eating first? Yeah, it's a phenomenal thing. I call it gesture eating, where you eat a little bit of cracker/ biscuit bread from above your dog's bowl, and you don't have to do it for the rest of your dog's life. But certainly a few times a week, you do that for a few months, your dogs know what's going on. And for those dogs that really think they're in charge, top dog, that brings them down a peg or two so quickly. So the number of dogs who when you do that, they will then refuse to eat. And that's okay. That's okay. Because it'll only be a couple of days or a couple of meals, usually one or two meals maximum, where the dog goes, I'm not eating if you eat first. But then after a few days, they go, Okay, fair enough. And that's got that's like with a big, yeah, I give up. It's like a snowball or ball trying to get some moving, you get the momentum. And then you can put the rest of the program in place. But if you don't get this bit, right, it's sure it's tricky. It's tricky if you've got the food mixed up and wrong. Yeah. I just want to clarify, if you have a really well behaved dog, and your dog is grazing all day long, don't get me wrong, I've got no problem with that. If your dog’s happy, you're happy, no behavioral issues. Dog listens to you generally, cool. Just graze, that's fine. Bones laying all over the property. Cool. So this is really a case of, it's almost like, if you're eating whatever foods you want, and you're healthy and fit and you haven't got any issues, then I don't have a problem with you, you know, you might have three pieces of chocolate or half a bar of chocolate a day. I got no problem with that. But if you are struggling with all sorts of issues, and you're, you know, shoveling half a bar of chocolate down and three cans of fizzy, sugary drink, you know. So it's really specific for those people who are looking for help and wondering what else could be going on. Because they've tried the training approach, whether it's the clickers and cheese or more correction based with telling the dog off and shock collars and that sort of thing. So this really is for those people who are struggling. Okay. Well, tell us about you have the Dog Calming Code. What is that? And how does it work? The Dog Calming Code Yeah, so the Dog Calming Code, if you think of it, as we talked about the training and the behavioral side of things. So we got hundreds of videos, which I share with people in the Online Dog Trainer, when I go to people's houses, maybe to do with recall, or stopping a dog from doing some strange like jumping up and stuff. But the Dog Calming Code is the initial program, I suggest everybody should put in place. And it's the piece which is like the behavioral piece, where it's basically the part which says, I'm in charge, you should be listening to me. And it's called the Calming Code because when you say to your dog, I'm in charge, it allows the dog to switch off and relax, as well as helping them listen to you. So the best analogy is almost when you have a dinner party, or if you ever have a dinner party, you know you have 20 people come around and or 30 people you end up a lot of times people end up kind of wandering around with a bottle and food going Do you want more drinks, more nibbles? Anybody want more drinks, and and everybody's saying, you know, sit down, relax, sit down, and you're running around. I'm not saying you do this. But you know, people run around, offering drinks and nibbles and the next thing you know people are because it's their party. They're wiping the surfaces down in the sweeping the kitchen and they're not relaxed. They feel like they've got to do something, because it's their party and they're in charge. Now, if you go to another person's house since it’s their party, you're far more likely to kind of sit down and just relax and chat and like find a book on the bookcase and start reading it or a magazine. You put your feet up you relax, enjoy yourself. Because when you're not in charge, you don't have that responsibility. And what we don't realize as dog owners is so many of our dogs are way more stressed and on tender hooks than we realize. You know, all of these little dogs who are nonstop running around chasing flies barking jumping up the windows yapping, non stop, go, go go. That's not a happy relaxed dog. Yeah, mouth open, panting looking around, eyes on. So these are all stress signals. The happy dog is the one, the one who's in the front of my campervan, now. He's just lying there. He's relaxed, you know, my dogs will happily go into a space. And they'll just sleep for five hours. I’ll be there or not be that doesn't matter. They can sleep for hours and hours. They're relaxed, happy dogs, they tend to sleep for kind of 12 hours a day. And they’re not always on alert and hadn't got one ear up the whole time. They don't follow you around the house the whole time. That's not a happy, relaxed, dog. It may make you feel like unloved. But the happy, relaxed dog doesn't need to do that, they realize they can just switch off and relax. So the Dog Calming Code helps your dog get that message or it helps you understand how to give your dog that message. And of course, the happy relaxed dog who's not in charge doesn't have to be protective of you or the property doesn't have to lead on the walk that doesn't pull on the leash doesn't have to be protective when you're walking in the park. It just switches off and relaxes. And then you see the dog actually playing more. You see dog’s that have never played before in the house with you know, I go to houses where there's two dogs and one's very stressed and one's kind of bit more chilled out. But they don't play. And there may be another issue. But often when I'm there or a bit later on after a week or two people report, you know, Butch the dog has now started to play with Minnie. Butch and Minnie are playing again. They haven't done this for years. And it's because the responsibility that they had is, is gone. You know. I want the People Calming Code. Because I know my dog Winston picks up on my stress and I am just so wound. And I'm trying to work on that. So is it as easy as saying leadership is the key that if they know that you are the leader that they are not that that puts them in a better position. And us ultimately as well? Should We Lead Our Dogs? I'll be really honest, I stopped using the word leadership because everybody's getting offended by the word but it's partly because we don't have that many great leaders. In human terms, a lot of leaders are self centered a lot of leaders kind of look after themselves and, and try and, you know, line their own pockets before looking after the people. So, leadership has a funny connotation of being threatening and a bully. But I would agree with you in My Word idea of a great leader like a Nelson Mandela or something. A person like that, who cares for the people, first and foremost. So I'm happy to use the word leader if we think of leader as non bullying, non threatening, loving the people and caring for the people and the dogs. The other word is parent, you know, if you think of a great parent, they are in charge. So my wife and I, we’re in charge with our kids and our dogs, we make the final decisions and that does absolutely allow our children to relax. You know we're on holiday in a campervan, my wife and I've got all the responsibility of where we're going to park up for the night, where we're going. When we're going to leave, when we're going to get food what we're going to do, our kids love it. They relax. Structure. We’re the safety net they get in the campervan, they climb up onto their bunks, they've got no idea half the time where we're going. They got no worries in the world. Their biggest worry is Can we jump in the water? How warm is the water? How big are the waves? My wife and I have all the responsibility where we're like ducks. You know, we may look like we're gliding along, but under underneath the surface. Our feet are paddling, you know. Have we got enough water? Have we got enough gas? Have we got enough… Is that the premise of your book, I know that you have What the Dogs Taught Me About Being a Parent? Parenting Yes, that's right. Yeah. Okay. So what the dogs taught me about being a parent is, was this idea that I had that hang on, there's a real correlation, but between parenting and dog training, but I didn't have any children at the time. So I started thinking about it. And when we had a child, I think Stanley was about one or two years old, I decided, you know, I believe this to be so true. And I wrote the book. And I'm super proud of it. Because it's true. That the premise of being a great parent or being a great dog, owner or trainer or dog parent, there's so many similarities and the key ones, you know, the big ones about taking responsibility for your own actions. And, you know, it's easy to blame your dog. It's easy to blame your kids. But actually when you change how you do everything, how you talk to your children, how we communicate body language, and we when we change that with our children, our children respond differently. They change. We evoke a different response in our children. And the same thing with our dog when we change how we're acting around our dogs, and what we're doing and how we're being, we evoke a different response from our dogs. And picking up the food and not letting them graze is a real good example. Yeah. Well, Dan, I can't thank you enough for being with us today and sharing this great information. I told everybody how much I love your program. It is simple. But we just have to learn how to do it the right way to make our dogs calm down and be happy. Wouldn't that be wonderful? Well, I know that Dan has an amazing offer for all of our listeners. And I can't believe that you're offering a $1 trial to try out your online program. Do you want to talk a little bit about that? Sure, sure. So what what I'd love to do is basically let people check it out and try it. And so we decided to do a $1 trial for people who want to check it out. And you get three days access. And the main program you could start with is the Dog Calming Code. So it's the key program straightaway, says Here you go. It's a step by step program. So you kind of can't go wrong. And you'll know, within an hour or two of watching the videos, you'll be like, Wow, this is unbelievable. It's so different. And you'll see the change in your dog. And if you want to stay on, it's $37 per month, cancel whenever you want. But if you don't, if you go, you know what I like free stuff and $1 stuff, and just cancel within three days. Just email us and Yeah, the thing is a lot of people, a lot of people actually, they take the trial, and they cancel within three days. And when we check we say Is everything okay? No worries, canceling. We say why you cancelling just just so can we get some feedback. They said, Well, my dogs, my dog solved the problem, problem’s gone. It's that it's that powerful. So I'm always happy. It's no big, no big deal for us to give people three days access for $1. Well, Dan, thank you so much for all that you do. Where can everybody find out more about you and the Dog Calming Code? What is that website. So you may want to repeat it because of my funny accent, but it's www.theonlinedogtrainer.com www.theonlinedogtrainer.com . And I'm going to put that as well as where people can find you on social media in the show notes. So check that out. Any parting words? Dan, before we leave today, And I'm going to put that as well as where people can find you on social media in the show notes. So check that out. Any parting words, Dan, before we leave today? Social Media Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doggydandogtrainer/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/DogTrainerDoggyDan What I would say is if you've tried lots of different approaches, and you're still struggling, then give this a go. Because it really is so radically different. It's you know, somebody once said to me, training is about trying to get your dog to do what you want them to do. And this approach is saying Hang on. Before we do that, let's make sure we're communicating with our dog and understanding where they're coming from. That’s why you stand out. It works. It's the same with people you know, before you try to tell somebody some thing, try and listen, try and understand where they are. Before we start, yes, beautiful lesson for life. Oh my gosh, so much great words of wisdom. 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Well hello everyone! This is Krista with episode #151 on the Wag Out Loud pawdcast. Are you making the most out of the time spent with your dog while on a walk? Or perhaps instead you listen to audiobooks, podcasts, music, or are talking on the phone during those times? Well, I just want to encourage everyone to have more mindful walks with your dog, and to use that time to bond with them in nature. We should take a cue from our pups to slow down and live in the present moment. Research shows that this may help decrease depression and anxiety, improve memory, and to boost our mental and physical health. Walks are also the perfect time to let your dog be a dog. I call it taking them on “sniffari”, which is great for their mental stimulation. So being present during walks with your dog only deepens your connection with them. So pay attention to how you both are feeling and reacting to your surroundings. I don't know about you, but the best ideas come to me when I'm out for a walk with my dog Winston. That is when I'm relaxed, my mind is open. And we enjoy our bonding time. Welcome to the Wag Out Loud pawdcast, where we are obsessed with bringing you helpful tips on canine health care, nutrition, and overall wellbeing. If you'd like to support the show, check out the amazing online events, products and resources that I personally recommend on the Wag Out Loud website. I'm your host, Krista and I'm super excited to be bringing you yet another tail wagging episode. Dr. Jodie Gruenstern is an experienced veterinarian who has performed thousands of titer tests and can explain why you are risking your pet's health and wasting your money by blindly repeating unnecessary vaccinations! Dr. Jodie received her DVM degree from the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1987. She has practiced small animal medicine in Wisconsin and now Arizona. She is a national presenter, journal writer, and author of "Live with Your Pet in Mind". She has been filmed for PetMD and PetWorld Insider. She has been taught by and presented with Dr. Ron Schultz, the world-renown Ph.D. immunologist instrumental to the development of titer testing and the core vaccine principles. Hello there dog lovers! We are going to learn a lot today from our guest, Dr. Jodie Gruenstern and she is going to set us straight on are we over-vaccinating our dogs? Hot Topic! Dr. Jodie, I am so excited to chat with you about this very important, but controversial topic. So could you please introduce yourself and tell us why did you start thinking differently when it came to canine vaccinations and schedules? Sure. Thanks, Krista. Thank you so much for having me. This should be fun. I'm very excited to get this information out to all the pet parents. I have been a veterinarian for at least 35-36 years. I graduated from UW Madison, in Wisconsin in 1987. And even as far back as conventional veterinary school, I had an instructor that was a PhD immunologist for our immunology class named Dr. Ron Schultz. And since then he has become world renowned, holistic and conventional. Veterinarians all admire him and his knowledge and his dedication to our field in the area of vaccinations, helping vaccine manufacturers make vaccines, and then also helping companies develop what we call titer testing, and reaching out to the veterinary community and even the American Veterinary Medical Association to develop what's called core vaccines. So we're gonna get into all that I think a little deeper. But even as far back as veterinary school, I was really fortunate to have that kind of influence. Wow, that's great. Well, I'm glad that you're part of the fight, because we're hearing more and more about over-vaccination and what it's doing to our dogs. So why don't we quickly go over, what are the core vaccines? And when would a puppy get these? The Core Vaccines Sure, so the core vaccines are considered distemper, parvo, and rabies. And when a puppy is vaccinated, at less than eight weeks of age, the vaccine regardless of which one of those it is usually never works. Not at any fault of the vaccine itself, but because the puppy's immune system is not competent to respond to the vaccine. So you cannot be immunized and protected unless you actually respond to the vaccine. And that's really important for everybody to recognize just because you get a shot, that doesn't mean that you're protected. With COVID, that sounds very familiar. Yeah, so maybe we won't go there. So anyway, it's very important for pet parents to recognize that and especially breeders, because right away when we start talking about over-vaccinating, some of these puppies are taking a risk and being over-vaccinated before the new pet mom even has acquired the puppy. And so at eight to nine weeks is when a puppy's immune system is usually competent to respond. And so that's when vaccination should begin. So prior to that, you do have to be careful that you don't expose a puppy to something like parvo or rabies, because obviously, then they could get the disease. On the other hand, what we need to recognize is that most of them get passive immunity from their mother. So it crosses the placenta, it is transmitted through the colostrum of puppies first milk, and those puppies get protection. That protection stays in their bodies for up to 12 weeks. So when you give a vaccination at eight to nine weeks, they may be competent to respond. But they often are not protected from the vaccine because it is blocked, because the mother's protection is still present in that puppy, and blocks the effectiveness of the vaccine. So we know that by about 12 weeks in most breeds, mother's protection then goes away. And then if we give another vaccination at 12 weeks, then that puppy will be protected. Because we don't know for sure if that immunity was passed on from the mother to the puppy or not. That is why we typically recommend starting vaccination at eight to nine weeks. Now, if we actually knew if that puppy was protected or not, then that would guide our decisions better as to whether or not that vaccination given is needed and whether or not it will be effective. Okay, well, that's all really good to know. So in your mind, puppy has their initial puppy shots, do they then continue throughout their entire lives with the recommended vaccine schedule? When to Give Vaccines Right. So not necessarily. So that's especially what I like about my holistic practice is we really look at every patient as an individual. And we ask the questions, we think about what has gone on in that Puppy's background. And then we can even go further to actually check their immunity. So there's testing we can do to check that. And there's a cost involved, of course, so we can also delve into the pet parent’s financial situation a little bit and what do they prefer. So if we want to play averages, then we would just vaccinate with a distemper, Parvo complex at eight or nine weeks, again at 12 weeks. And then in some cases, and in some breeds, 16 weeks, and then again a year later, and then it may be year after year, or some vaccines are labeled as every three years. Now, what we know from studies that have actually been done is that if we check their blood at 16 weeks, that the majority of them have protection at that point from the vaccine that was given at 12 weeks, and they don't need that vaccination at 16 weeks. If we check their blood again, a year later, we can then determine did they mount that immune response? Is it still present. Studies have actually been done to determine the actual numbers that are needed for protection? And this is based on challenge studies. So what we're talking about what we're getting into right here now is what's called titer testing. And it's not teater, It's not Twitter, it's titer. And it is spelled two ways, t-i-t-e-r, or the British spelling, which is t-i-t-r-e, and I think that all confuses a lot of people, but it's titer testing, and it's a blood test. So it's not an injection. Titer Testing to the Rescue! So in essence, for the core vaccines, is that what a titer can be used for, the three that you mentioned? Yes. So the titer’s done typically at most labs. It measures Distemper and Parvo. And then Kansas State is sort of the gold standard place to send the blood for a rabies titer and they can do Distemper and Parvo as well. And pricing varies depending on the Veterinary Clinic submitting the blood, and there are other places to send it. But Kansas State is very reasonable and can check Distemper, Parvo and Rabies. Okay. Now, do all veterinarians offer titer testing? They do not all offer it. They pretty much can all do it. Sometimes there's a little pressure that needs to be put on them in order to have it done. And it's pretty simple. You know, veterinarians are busy and we get set in our ways. As a group, I think we're slow to change. And we're not always learning what's really current when we've been in the field for a long time. And certainly that's not right. But that's the way it is. And so we give vaccinations the way maybe we were taught to do it in school, or maybe we get set in our ways because of the first employer that we had. And it becomes the bread and butter, so to speak of the practice too. And it's a quick in and out. It's a way to encourage your clients to come in every year, like well you’re due for your shots. Well, or you really due for the shot? Really, we should veterinarians should be promoting wellness exams as putting an emphasis on that, which is extremely important. And take the focus off of coming in for a vaccination, because the vaccination not only may not be needed, but it may actually be detrimental. Over-Vaccinating Can Cause Illness & Disease Well, you've hit the nail on the head. And I have to question why so many veterinarians, especially the conventional vets are sticking to these schedules. When in all reality, more and more research is coming out that this over-vaccination is actually causing the illnesses and disease that these dogs come in for. So it's is it kind of like a vicious cycle? Yes. And the other part that's difficult is, we're all taught what anaphylaxis is. And that's a serious reaction that happens immediately when you get a bee sting, or when you're allergic to penicillin, and somebody gives you penicillin. Or peanuts. And certainly vaccinations can cause a rapid anaphylactic reaction when a patient basically goes into shock. And I have seen that happen. And I believe it's very important that if you're going to give a vaccine, you should be in a veterinary facility that has the ability to get the patient on oxygen, put in an intravenous catheter, administer steroids or epinephrine or whatever is needed. So I don't believe that vaccines should be administered outside of that kind of a realm. But and those might be fairly rare. Those kinds of reactions, although I have seen them, and when it's your own pet, it doesn't feel very rare. And that's why to think that you've given a vaccine unnecessarily that if you had checked a titer, instead, you wouldn't have given that vaccine and then lose your pet to an anaphylactic reaction. That's just horrific. But what really is not considered is what you're getting at is the number of different kinds of chronic disorders, where the disorder isn't even correlated with the administration of that vaccine, because it doesn't happen immediate. Many veterinarians will not report reactions, there is not a standard reporting mechanism in the veterinary field like that actually is in the human field. So to even try to look at statistics, like how many reactions are there? There is not any kind of accurate information out there. And if you do read, the vaccine manufacturer inserts, they say right on there, you know, they have a handle on in their studies, and the reporting that's been done directly to them, which they do not have to make public knowledge, but they have more of a handle on Yes, our vaccine does cause this problem or that problem. And if you read their inserts, you will see that they say right there that their vaccines can cause immune mediated disease. And so what is that? It doesn't sound like much was just some words on paper. But an example is immune mediated thrombocytopenia, and that's a serious bleeding disorder. And it takes anywhere from oh, two to seven days, maybe even 14 days to really start showing up after that vaccine is given. And one of the vaccines that is notorious for causing that is the lepto, leptospirosis vaccination. So my like when you ask, well, what you know, made me change and evolve too is a very sad story, very sad experience with giving a lepto vaccination to a dog. Dr. Jodie, can I stop you right there because we are going to take a quick commercial break and then we want to hear the story. So we will be right back. Thanks so much to the team at System Saver for being this month’s feature sponsor. Dr. Baker’s Canine System Saver is an outstanding all-natural supplement that promotes healthy aging. Originally created by a veterinarian to help restore health and soundness to dogs suffering from chronic inflammatory and degenerative conditions, this is one product that does so much! Perfect for: arthritis, hip dysplasia & joint support, chronic dermatitis, inflammatory and autoimmune diseases, and geriatric support for successful aging and quality of life extension. At 13 yrs old,my dog Winston has a better quality of life and has found so much more energy being on this amazing product!” Now with the start of allergy season, System Saver works wonders on canine allergies as well. Learn more by going to http://caninesystemsaver.com/ to relieve your dog’s discomfort naturally. And as a bonus, Wag Out Loud listeners can take advantage of a 10% discount by using the code WOL10 at checkout! All right, everybody. We are back with Dr. Jodie Gruenstern and she is shedding light on over-vaccination and the use of titers. Dr. Jodie, I cut you off before you were about to tell us about a story about a dog. Yeah, I left everyone sitting on the edge of their seats. Okay, so back in the day when I was still conventional, kind of a few years out of school. And I really believe that being a good pet parent meant getting your pets spayed and neutered , and getting your pet vaccinated and on a good schedule. And a beautiful two year old, intact male German Shepherd came through my door. Hadn't been neutered, hadn't been vaccinated. And I basically shamed that owner into giving some vaccinations, including leptospirosis. And within a week, that dog had immune mediated thrombocytopenia, which is a severe bleeding disorder, that is listed as a potential complication from that vaccine, the vaccine manufacturer’s insert, and I did everything I could, I did not save that dog. And this is normal 30 years later, and I'm talking about it. So you know, it made a huge impact on me. And so that was one of many. Another one that we do see frequently that often goes uncorrelated is polyarthritis, stiffness, soreness, heat, fever, in the joints. And that can occur anywhere from a couple of days to a couple of weeks after vaccination. And I had personal experience with that. It was a technician, a veterinary technician, who imported a beautiful purebred dog that she wanted to use in agility and a puppy. And she knew all the risks of vaccines. And we both pondered like, oh, you know, are we going to do this? Like, well, we need to get some on board. I mean, I'm not anti vaccs. I mean, I don't want dogs to get distemper, parvo or rabies. So it is important to vaccinate, but we vaccinated this dog, I think it was on a Thursday or Friday. And on Monday, I got a report from the emergency clinic that the dog was in there with this polyarthritis syndrome, not eating couldn't get up. Very painful. And the Tech had told them that the dog had been vaccinated. And they said no, it was too long after the vaccine that it couldn't have been the vaccine. And they weren't even the ones that gave it a shot. I was. And I'm like, I know it was the vaccine, for sure. And so there's just for, you know, in our field, there's just that denial. Well, and you're bringing up a good point, you know, our listeners know that we think that nutrition is the foundation for health for ourselves, as well as our dogs. And I know on all of these vaccine labels that it says for use in healthy dogs only. So nobody defines what healthy actually means. So if you have a dog that already has underlying issues, you know, they don't have a strong immune system, or they have leaky gut or or what have you. Are they already being set up for even worse consequences if we do over-vaccinate those dogs? Vaccinate only “healthy” Dogs Absolutely. And that's, that is a conventional rule, again, that the vaccine manufacturer asserts that veterinarians are breaking you know, that advice every day, and they're actually making themselves liable. For example, if a pet has a reaction to a vaccination, and then the next time they come in to get that vaccination again, the veterinarian gives them an anti histamine injection and then goes ahead and gives the vaccination. That's actually not something that the vaccine manufacturer recommends. They'll say heed the warning. That pet had a mild reaction the first time, they could have a lot worse problem the second time. And the other thing that is done every day is the animals that have the allergies that are on immunosuppressive drugs, like prednisone, steroids, cytopoint, cyclosporin products, apoquel, all of that, which is suppressing the immune system, which makes them unable to respond properly to the vaccine anyway. So they have a chronic disease, they're on a repetitive medication that definitely wouldn't fit in my definition of what healthy is, and certainly not a patient that has autoimmune hypothyroidism, which is like Hashimotos in humans and most dogs have the autoimmune version, or cancer. Certainly, we shouldn't be vaccinating our cancer patients. Well, I'm just so glad that you're here to talk more about titer testing and that it exists. So let's dive a little deeper. How much is it usually to get a titer test? Cost of titer testing Oh, that's all over the board. It can be anywhere probably from around $75, up to $250. Part of it is going to depend on are you just doing just a distemper, just a Parvo? Are you doing a combo of those two? Are you doing a combo of all three? Are you doing the type of tests that run in house? Is going out to a lab where the lab marks up the price and sends it on, let's say to Kansas State, or sending it to the veterinarian to set up their own account and they send it directly to Kansas State or Michigan State? Do you have access to a university, you know, to get this testing done? So that's why it varies so much. And when you get the titer testing done, and you get the results back, and let's say your dog has the correct antibodies for each of the three, how long would that titer be good for that would be in lieu of proof of vaccination? How long are titer’s results good for? So there is, to my knowledge, not any kind of regulatory guidance in that regard. And it depends also, if we’re talking about this distemper, parvo or rabies, because there are no laws about giving distemper or Parvo. Although there are restrictions about will this facility let you come in, if you don't have proof or protection for distemper or Parvo. Or this grooming facility or whatever, most states have a law only for rabies, not for distemper or Parvo. As far as determining how long it lasts, there are studies that have been done to show that the fastest, a distemper, Parvo titer falls, is in half each year, approximately. So if we want to give somebody guidance for their individual pet, and their pet is starting out with a titer, of, let's say, 4000, for Parvo. And it falls in half in a year, for the next year, it's 2000, the year after that it's 1000, the year after that, it's 500. And this is determined from a lot of animals that have been checked. But we can actually now kind of make that assumption. We know that for Parvo, to have what we call a sterilizing level of immunity, which is the level that's reported back on the lab report that they want to see, they actually only need an 80. So if they have 4000, it's going to be a lot of years, before they're going to get to 80 and supposedly need a booster. So even on my website, I have a blog article there about this and includes these numbers, that 80 is sterilizing, 20 is memory immunity level, and there's a difference there. So even with a lower number, you still do have some protection. So titer testing can be very complicated. It is helpful that if you work that you work with a veterinarian that has experience with understanding what those titer test results mean, and doesn't necessarily just take those numbers at face value either. But as far as rabies, which legally we need to be the most concerned about the guidelines there usually go by the World Health Organization, .5 or more level, which comes back from if we send the blood to Kansas State, it comes back if it's greater than .5 and protected. That's less than .5. Technically, they're not considered protected. And that can last anywhere from three years, seven years, maybe even longer. And there have also again, then, some rabies challenge studies done to determine that yes that number is holding and staying and protecting them for many, many years. Certainly more than one year and certainly more than three years. So would you recommend for a healthy adult dog that we get the titer testing yearly? Or, again, it depends on their actual numbers as to how often? Right, so again, that's on an individual basis, or as a blanket statement, I would say, it's not going to be necessary to do it yearly. But depending on the State, if they enact legislation to allow titer testing, they may say that they're going to require a titer test every year, even though a rabies vaccination may only be required every three years. Now I don't like that. But I can understand that because they are new to that. And they're trying to compromise, that they may feel more comfortable being able to assert that okay, it's a year later, yes, this pet is still protected, because they don't know if that protection is waning or not. And if they could really say, yes, this pet’s, okay for three years. And Dr. Jodie, you just mentioned legislation. Where are we with that around acceptance of tighter tests in lieu of over-vaccinating. So again, that's all over the board, depending on the state where you live. So in Wisconsin, I was blessed and spoiled by having an actual waver exemption law. So in Wisconsin, if a pet had had a reaction, or it had a chronic disease, as that individual’s veterinarian, I could decide if that pet should get vaccinated for rabies or not. And there was a state statute I could sign and present this waiver that the client would then keep, and they wouldn't get in trouble for not having injection of rabies on a routine basis in order to get their pet licensed. In Arizona, we do not have anything of that sort. The law is that you need to give that first vaccine by the time the puppy is six months old. You give another one a year later, that one is considered a three year and I use the word considered because based on studies, we actually know that it lasts longer than that in the majority of dogs. The very small number of dogs that actually are called no responders, and they don't even respond to their vaccines, including rabies. It's a small number. But it is not good science to assume that just because someone got a rabies injection, that that means they're immunized, that that means they're protected. That's not necessarily true. But I think if we really care about rabies as a zoonotic, a deadly disease., that's a danger to humans, then we should be requiring a minimum of one titer in every dog after they're vaccinated to tell if they're a responder or not. That makes sense. Well, as we are wrapping up, I just I hope one person listening today, learned something new. That we do have options. I could not believe earlier last year, I was going to get Winston's teeth cleaned. And I have gotten him titer tested and he is way more than adequately protected. They said he would have to get a rabies vaccine to do the dental. And I said well I've got my titer test right here and they didn't care. They said this is new protocol. In case he bites us. We can't perform dental cleaning on him without a rabies vaccination. Yep. So that is that is their clinic rule. That is not, you know, that is not a state law about their choice. And the other fallacy that gets perpetuated is that if your pet is not up to date on a rabies vaccine and it bites someone that pet will be euthanized. That is not true. As far as I know that is not true in any state. They will be quarantined for 10 days. The reason they're quarantined is because if they actually had rabies, and they're not going to be harboring it, they would have had to been bitten by a rabid animal just prior as well. But if they bite you because they actually have rabies, then they pass on within 10 days. And so that's what the 10 day quarantine rule is all about. So all I can say is that it's time for everybody to wake up and do what's best for our pets. And find a new veterinarian, find a new groomer educate, educate, educate. And you know, it's a peer pressure kind of thing. And we just need to let them know that, you know, we're not satisfied with the way you were treated in that situation and that it's not fair. And it's not good science even. Right. Well, Dr. Jodie, this is the perfect example of what this show is all about. That titer testing helps us to be the best advocates for our dog's health and wellness. And bravo to the daycares and the boarding facilities that are accepting titers. I hope more and more do. But again, as Dr. Jodie said, we have to say something, and if our vet does not agree, then we have to move on to somebody else. So Dr. Jodie, I can't thank you enough for chatting with us today. Where can everybody find out more information about you and your practice? Yeah, so simple, just www.docjodie.com. So and I'm Jodie with an “IE”. So it's www.docjodie.com. And I have a blog article right on that site that goes very into depth on this topic, as well as other links and other information about my other passions, like natural nutrition, for example. Maybe we can talk about that sometime. FB>> https://www.facebook.com/docjodie Twitter>> https://twitter.com/JodieGruenstern Instagram>> https://www.instagram.com/docjodie/ Yes, we would love to. That's our jam over here. All right. Sounds great. Thanks for having me today. Thanks, Dr. Jodie. We appreciate you. Thanks again to our friends at System Saver for sponsoring this month’s episodes . 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Well hello! This is Krista with episode #150 on the Wag Out Loud pawdcast. Have you checked out all of the amazing trusted brands that I highly recommend? I test a lot of products, and only the ones that you find on my site are the ones that I have tried with my dog Winston, and that I know, like and trust. Products that will also help your dog to thrive. So just go to https://www.wagoutloud.com/ and check out the trusted brands section. And I've negotiated discounts for most of these products, so why not see what can make a difference in your dog's life? Okay, I just have to give a shout out to Italy! Bravo, Italy! The Italian Parliament recently voted to include the protection of animals in the nation's constitution. The Amended Constitution states that the protection of the environment and animals is a founding value of the nation in the interest of future generations. So Italy is widely recognized as a country of animal lovers, and since 2015, the World Dog Alliance has been working with a leading Animal Protection Group to make Italy a model country of animal protection for Europe and the world to learn from. Don't you think the United States needs to follow suit? Welcome to the Wag Out Loud pawdcast, where we are obsessed with bringing you helpful tips on canine health care, nutrition, and overall wellbeing. If you'd like to support the show, check out the amazing online events, products and resources that I personally recommend on the Wag Out Loud website. I'm your host, Krista and I'm super excited to be bringing you yet another tail wagging episode. Louie Torres is the founder of Unleashed Consulting Co, the world's leading marketing & consulting experts in the pet service industry & co-owner of Obedient K9 Training, a premier dog training business with locations in Charlotte, NC and Virginia Beach, VA. After witnessing how professional dog training transformed his fearful-aggressive Chihuahua, Alfie, Louie knew he needed to help spread the word so that more people & pups could learn to live harmoniously with trust, love, and obedience! Welcome dog lovers to another Wag Out Loud pawdcast episode. I am so thrilled to be joined by Louie Torres. He is going to share with us the five signs, it's time to hire a professional dog trainer. So Louie, first of all, thank you so much for being on the Show. I'm going to ask you to introduce yourself and tell us how Professional Dog Training has changed your life. Absolutely. Krista, thank you so much for having me on the pawdcast. I love what you do, love your audience, love your episodes. So first off, I'm super grateful to be here. For those of you who have never heard of me before. Thanks for tuning in. My name is Louie Torres, I'm the founder of Unleashed Consulting Company. We are a leader in the marketing and consulting space for the pet services industry. I'm also the co owner of Obedient K9 Training, a dog training business with locations in Charlotte, North Carolina and Virginia Beach, Virginia. So it all started about four years ago, when I had been moved in with my girlfriend. And she had a fearful, aggressive Chihuahua named Alfie. Probably not the first time we've heard of a fearful, aggressive Chihuahua. But it was a definitely a transition for all parties involved, including Alfie. And I had not grown up with any fearful, aggressive dogs. So a lot of the behaviors that we were living with and kind of adapted to in our lifestyle were new to me. iI was a challenge, there were times where Alfie and I didn't see eye to eye there's times when Michelle and I didn't see eye to eye. And we knew that if we were going to make our relationship work, I had to make the relationship work with the dog. So instead of, you know, sending Alfie back to live with her mother back in New York, which was an option. We made it work, we sought Professional Dog Training, help and it was life changing. It was just so eye opening, you know how we can communicate with these animals and just live harmoniously with them with the right understanding of how to do it. And next thing you know, I found myself bringing all that advice in to my family and friends and their relationships. And that's when I realized that I wasn't the only one dealing with this. In fact, most people are dealing with a situation like this .And fast forward to today, I get to help other business owners and I get to help my community here in Charlotte with the same situation. Very cool. Well, in your mind, do you think that all dogs need help from a professional trainer? Because you see, you know, videos and books? Can we do it ourselves? Or do you really think we need to bring the professionals in? I think that every situation is different. And that's a great question. And that was one of my, one of my five signs. Spoiler alert, spoiler alert, but uh, no, I definitely do think that, you know, it depends on your situation, how much time you're able to commit, it depends on your dog’s situation, how much time you're able to commit to your dog. And I think professional help is definitely going to help you expedite the process. And you're going to learn things that you wouldn't necessarily be able to do on your own. For example, in the dog training process, timing is key. And sometimes you're not able to see your own timing, even when you're recording yourself. So just having another set of eyes, they can see your timing with your dog, when you're learning how to however, your communication method is, that's really important for someone else to see. Now, for me, I've really invested into I really got an invested into my training program. And if you find someone to do it with you once, and you understand what your communication program and process is going to be with your dog, the cool thing is when you do hire someone, you don't need to hire them again. Because if you have a good trainer, they're not really going to spend so much time training the dog as they will training the human. And that's information and education that you can take with you for all the dogs that you have in the future. So yes, you, you can do it, you can go to YouTube, you can go to these apps, and you can follow trainers. But it really depends on the severity of the issues that you're dealing with, and also how much time you can truly commit to learning the craft. Alright. And I would have to assume that we shouldn't beat ourselves up if we do need to find a professional. That it's not really a reflection of our failure, if we can't get our dogs to act or behave a certain way. So why don't we go right into your five signs that it is time to hire a professional? 5 Signs It's Time to Hire a Professional Dog Trainer Absolutely, it's not your fault, if you don't have the right information. And most of us just don't. But hopefully, after listening to this podcast, you can make that decision if it is time for you to make that decision. So let's start with these are in no particular order, right. But for me, personally, number one, impacting your relationships. And it doesn't have to be just with your significant other, it can be with family, it can be with friends, right? So let's say you're someone that likes to host and you just got a rescue and now your friends are really hesitant about coming over because your rescue may growl. Or maybe it resource guards. Or maybe he just has anxiety, and it's just exhibiting behaviors that your friends or your family don't really agree with. Now you find yourself locking the dog in the bedroom or you know, locking the dog in a crate somewhere and putting it off. And, you know, not only is it going to be impacting your relationships, but maybe your relationship with your dog even, right. So definitely impacting relationships is definitely the number one thing that I hear from working with hundreds of trainers. And it's actually the reason why I got into this space myself. Number two, I would say is eating into your time. So when it comes to dog training, and when you go out and you seek professional help, depending on the level of help you're looking for, depending on the situation you're in, you're going to see a lot of different prices. And you might have a different, everyone has a different budget, right? So when it comes to finding a dog trainer, one of the constraints sometimes is money. And we have to make a decision on the value of our time, right? Because when it starts eating into the eating into your time, that's we're talking about your quality of life. Sure, right? So are you going to, you know, walk your dog late 11 o'clock at night in your neighborhood, because your dog can't be around other people, other dogs. So now you find yourself, you know doing things at weird hours of the night to avoid other people or maybe you're embarrassed. And maybe that's why you go out late or you wake up super early. And now you don't get a good night's rest, and now it's impacting your work. So eating into your time is definitely a big one. Or maybe your dog's not potty trained. And you find yourself leaving, you know, events early or family gatherings which you got to get home to the dog because it's not properly potty trained. Or you don't want to leave it out too long, because it might tear something up or start chewing on something in your house. So when it starts eating into your time, that eats into your quality of life. So that's definitely a reason to start looking for some professional help. Number three is when there can be an underlying issue. So at this point, maybe you've tried to YouTube stuff and Googled some things and you can't really identify why some of these outbreaks or reactivity or some of the behaviors, why are they happening in the first place? Right sometimes they happen. Sometimes they don't sometimes my dog does bark when he sees somebody walk past us. Sometimes he doesn't, right. And if you don't understand the real underlying issue or cause what's going on with your dog, your training, the communication that you're setting up with your dog, you might not be hitting the right thing. So it's important to have somebody else to again, take that second perspective, you know, take a look at what's going on, from an outside view, to see if there's something that they can see to help you out and identifying what that underlying issue is, so that you can make the proper changes in the communication with your pet. And then number four here. When you're out of answers. Passings is an obvious one, when you have, you know, tried the things that you remember mom and dad did in the past growing up, when you have tried to do the YouTube and look for the information on the internet. And there's a lot of good information on the internet guys, I'm not saying don't do that, there's a lot of good stuff on there. There's a lot of professional help on there, there are a lot of trainers that are well known that put a lot of good content out there to help people. But sometimes it doesn't work for your situation, and you really don't know where to go. The last thing we want is dogs to end up in a shelter, or to end up homeless, right. And unfortunately, shelters exist. Because people run out of answers, and they don't know what to do next. So I need professional help, it's out there, and people can help you with you in your situation. And spoiler alert, five. Me personally, I truly believe that everybody should at some point in their lifetime, seek out professional help, because it will help you along your journey as a pet owner. I would imagine someone that has a pet now, will probably have a pet 10 years from now, or 20 years from now or 30 years from now. So getting that professional help can really set you up for the rest of your life. With all the pets that you have. it's not just training the dog, it's actually training you on how you can communicate with all your pets in the future. Love it. So okay, be honest, how much of this training is for the dog versus the dog parent? Or are we really training us the humans? Absolutely, everybody has a different ratio. I would say 85/50. 85% of it is training the human. Yeah. And about 15% actually training the dog. And I think what we have to remember is, you know, whatever is going on with, you know, if your dog is not understanding or picking up on commands, or they have leash aggression, or whatever it is that as frustrated as we are, they are equally as frustrated. So to “speak their language” and understand what's going on and how you both can live harmoniously without running into these issues time and time again, we have to remember that this training, so that we can both live in harmony is good for both of us, our dogs and us as people. That is just going to increase our bond with them. Right? Absolutely. And the one thing that you mentioned a couple times now is the word communication. And I've started to look at training as a whole and this industry as a whole a little differently than when I first came into it. And instead of training instead of because I also like to look at it from the client perspective, right? The clients aren't as educated as someone that's been in the space that's been studying, that’s been practicing. So I want to make it make sense for them as well. And I like to use the word communication a lot more than I like to use the word training. Because at the end of the day, people think that people might have an expectation that, okay, I'm going to go in and get a few lessons, and I'm going to train my dog, and that's it, my dog is automatically going to know what to do. But the truth is, if you don't keep up on the “training”, then what's going to happen is your dog is going to go back into its old habits. So instead of looking at it as training, look at it as communication. And if you look at it that way, it's something that you always have to do. Right now, Krista, you and I are able to communicate, we both speak English. Unfortunately, our dogs don't speak English. So we have to learn and understand how we can communicate with them in a way, but then we have to hold ourselves to that standard. If we expect that if we're going to set expectations for our dogs, we're going to have to always constantly communicate in the same way. We can't just do our training and be done with it. We have to learn that communication system, we have to uphold it for the life of the dog. And if you find yourself doing that, you'll find yourself you're not actually training, you're just communicating. So whether it's with a leash, whether it's with another piece of equipment or whether it's just setting boundaries in your home, if you're consistent with it, it doesn't even feel like training anymore. It just feels like you're speaking their language. Well said! Well, Louie, this is a perfect spot where we are going to take a quick commercial break. We have a lot more to talk about, so we will be right back. 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Order your SPLEASH today and walk YOUR dog with confidence and ease. Check them out at www.SPLEASH.com and as a Wag Out Loud pawdcast listener, you get a 15% discount by using the code WOL at checkout. And we are back with Louie Torres. We're talking about the five signs, it's time to hire a professional dog trainer. And Louie, you are just shining so much good light on this topic. Because no dog is perfect. And for sure no human is perfect. So why don't you tell us? What is the difference between a professional dog trainer and a professional behaviorist? Dog Trainer vs Dog Behaviorist Great question. And this is really a tricky question. And I think it's tricky because everyone has a different perspective. And I think it's completely subjective. Because at the end of the day, there's no federal laws or any policy on what it takes to become a professional dog trainer or to become a professional dog behaviorist. Yes, there are organizations that are out there where you can pay to take some sort of certification. But who are actually governing those organizations, it's tough to really identify what it is, what the criteria is that goes into both. I think it's very subjective. For me, the way that I look at it, I think it can be that would…well Krista, you got me on that one. Well I guess, maybe to make it easier. What's the difference between you know, basic obedience training? Yeah, versus behavioral, you know, I have issues like chewing, barking, housebreaking, that really would not be addressed by obedience per se. So I guess my question is, because I know there's two different types of training out there. Yeah, and I guess, there's so many different philosophies. And there are so many different types of training methods, where it gets a little touchy on on that type of subject, right. And the last thing that I want to do is isolate anybody, but I will say based on the training that I've come across, so a quick little, this will help out people in understanding where I'm coming from. So as the owner of Unleashed Consultanting, I've had an opportunity to work with over 200 Dog Training businesses. I've worked with all different types of methods, philosophies, training equipment, I've seen it all and I've actually practiced a lot of it myself. Because for me, in order to be the best marketer and consultant in the space, I need to actually get hands on and and learn and see what my clients are dealing with and actually see what the results and outcomes look like. So I've had an opportunity, very, very fortunate opportunity to really dive into this space. So I just want to start with that. And I was able to find a trainer who I built a relationship with, because I really, really loved his method. He was extremely open minded, and he had a lot of different pieces that he was putting into this puzzle. And the thing that I loved about him was that not every dog is the same. So he didn't train every dog the same. There are some trainers that if you come to them or behaviorists, if you come to them, this is the way that they would handle this type of dog, if you're not comfortable with that, they’ll refer you to somebody else, rather than having multiple different methods, multiple different approaches for multiple different dogs. So that's one of the reasons why I partnered with him with Obedient Canine. So the difference between the two in our system is, like you said, the obedience and behaviors are a little bit different. For us, we like to appreciate behaviors, we like to allow our dogs to do some critical thinking, and reward those behaviors so that they become natural, right? But the basic obedience where you know, you can do commands and whatnot, it can kind of crossover, depending on how you train the behaviors and how you're doing behavior training. So that's where I say, for us particularly, I like to combine the two, and so that my dog doesn't have to just listen to me when I when I repeat a command, if I wish to say place, my dog's gonna go to place, great. When we teach the behavior training that we do, my dog’s naturally just want to go to place just to hang out. If it's not doing anything, because that's the behaviors that we're kind of implementing by playing games with them. So I understand that there are a couple different ways. Our approach utilizes both, which is why I love doing what I do, because we're able to hit both of those. Does that kind of answer your question? Thank you. That does. So for people that would like to get started with finding a professional trainer, is the major barrier cost? Common Barriers Yeah, I think the major barrier is cost. You also mentioned another one, which is, I guess, just from a personal perspective, admitting. Admitting that you need help, which is one of the hardest things, right? I hear it all the time, when you know, we go out and we meet a married couple, one of the spouses is like, Oh, our dog needs training the other one’s like no, I can do this at home. Right. So it's like, just being able to admit that, you know, if you could have done it at home, you would have done it by now. Right? So it's okay. There's so much information when it comes to dog training, there's so much information on the internet, there's so much information from our families and our friends and other people that have dealt with pets and dogs their whole lives. So with that information, it's about just finding out what's going to work for you, everybody's different, everybody is going to practice differently. So I would say that's another barrier that people overlook. Okay, the second one is definitely going to be price. And I mentioned earlier, a different way of looking at it, right, because it's all perspective. So if I have a rescue, and I've got some anxiety, or I've got, you know, maybe I just want some basic obedience, because the dog doesn't have too much direction, or I just want to have some boundaries in my home or boundaries in my lifestyle with my dog. Right? If you want some professional help, which is going to expedite the process of you learning it and making mistakes on your own, then it's going to cost you. Is you're paying for somebody else's time, you're paying for somebody else's expertise, right. So just for example, if I was to look at the average of the hundreds of dog trainers that I work with, that basic obedience package might range from $1000 to $1,500. A lot of money, right? A lot of money, not everybody just has $1,500 just sitting in their account where they can just, you know, give that away. But the way that I look at it is if you just got a rescue you're going to have this dog for the next 10 to 15 years of your life. If you break that $1,000 up over that span, it's less than $100 a year for you to learn, and to become fluent in a language where you can have this harmonious life with his dog. I think it's priceless. That's the way that I look at it. And it's an investment. It's an investment. Yeah, because guess what, not only are you gonna know how to communicate with this dog that you’ve brought into your family, into your life, over the next 10 to 15 years. But then the next dog that you have down the road, and maybe you have another dog down the road, you're going to have the tools and information to be able to create that language and that communication to bridge the gap that you're currently having with your pet. And you're going to be able to do that without having to spend money in the future. As long as you're locked in, you got to be locked in. You got to be willing to put the time in. I was a little crazy. I'm a little perfectionist sometimes. So with my dogs, I made sure I was on a schedule like they were like my kids, right, like I kind of schedule. I made sure I was consistent with the training, you know, three times a day, 15 minutes. And that's really all it was three times a day 15 minutes. Now I don't really do training sessions as much, it's more or less just making sure that I'm consistent on my walk with, you know how I'm handling my leash consistently, not letting my dog just run up to people, it doesn't turn into training, it just turns into a language. And now my dogs, I don't have to remind them as much on how I want them to behave because it's become our lifestyle. Regulation Well, just like everything in the pet industry, nothing is regulated. So there really is no state or federal certification needed to be a dog trainer, at least here in the United States. So when we are looking to choose a trainer, what do you recommend? What are some of the accreditations that maybe we should make sure that people do have? That is the word I was looking for before, regulation. Regulation, we have none. We have none in the space. And it's difficult to tell, it's difficult to tell, I've done a lot of research into different organizations. And I think it's important to be open minded. As much as you know, I mean, your main organization is your American Kennel Club. And then you have different ones based on research and different philosophies of training. That's where it can get a little bit biased. And that's where you have to trial and error a little bit and figure out what's best for you and figure out how you want to communicate with your dog and what you are and what you are not willing to do. But the one thing that I have seen is, it's extremely important to be open minded, because every single dog is different, because every owner has a different lifestyle and has a different commitment that they're able to give. So what I look for first is I'm going to look at content. So hopefully this person is posting on social media. If they're not, that's a red flag for me. Why aren't they posting on there? Maybe something has happened in the past, you know, unfortunately, there are situations where people do things that they shouldn't be doing. And you know, that unfortunately, they get a bad rap. And they're not going to be posting content. So that's the first thing I look for, I look for content, I look for results. Within that content, maybe I can find a dog that started out similarly to mine, and maybe they can share a journey. And I can actually see how a dog was reacting to their particular training program or protocol. I'm going to look at some reviews, I'm going to make sure that that they have reviews and that people are raving about them and, and the ones that are negative, I'm going to look at them with a grain of salt, again, I want to be able to be open minded and understand and really look at the content that's out there. Maybe someone didn't have, maybe someone had a bad experience because they didn't put the work in because as I mentioned earlier, it's 85% the human, 15% the dog. So just because someone had a bad experience with this trainer, I'm not going to immediately disqualify them knowing that most of the time, it's the human that wasn't following up on their end. So that's where I'm going to get started as far as organization. Now, there's a number of different organizations out there. IACP, you've got the American Kennel Club. I mean, you're looking at CCPDT, you know, but like I said, I look at those with a grain of salt, because all you have to do is sign up pay, take a test, you don't actually have to be practicing those things, right. So I just make sure that I look for content, right? Lastly, I'm going to really take a take advantage of my evaluation. Most dog training businesses will provide a free evaluation, not all of them, but most of them. Some do a paid evaluation, and sometimes it is worth paying that evaluation, right? I've seen different business models, I'm not here to say one's better over the other from business perspective. I'm looking at it from the consumer standpoint, I like free evaluations, because there is so much information on the internet. And because every client’s different I want to lead with service. And I want to make sure not only that I'm providing them information to see if I'm going to be a good fit for the client. But I want to make sure that the client’s a good fit for me, right, because that's the only way that I'm going to be able to know as a dog trainer, that this person is going to feel comfortable with my programs. They're going to follow through and we're going to get the best results for that dog. And if that's not the case. And that's okay. They're better off working with someone else. So that's why I love free evaluations. It gives you an opportunity to meet and also an opportunity to meet the dog. And I look at it from this perspective. If you go to a doctor and you have some symptoms, right, the doctor is not just going to prescribe you a drug. The doctor is going to do a consultation. They're going to learn about your health history. They're going to learn if you're allergic to any medicines. They're going to do all your vitals, they're going to do some sort of exam. And then given that process, after they've done all those steps, then they would prescribe you medicine. So that's why I don't like just doing like a phone consultation with a trainer over the phone and then buying into a program. I need to make sure that I meet them, I need to make sure that they're seeing how my dogs interact with myself, with them. And whatever that situation is, I want them to actually take a look at it first. And I think that's really important when finding a trainer, someone that goes the extra mile to make sure that they're actually giving you the right prescription. And they're not just there to make a sale. Louie, this has been amazing advice. I can't believe that we are about to wrap up here. But the only thing I would probably add is, in addition to understanding what that trainer’s philosophy is, you can always call references, you know, preferably, Do you have anybody that had a dog, you know, with a similar situation? And could I ask them what their experience was working with you? So that's a great idea. I love that. I think this was amazing, and hopefully gave a lot of our listeners something to think about. So I know that you have two offers that you would like to give us before we wrap up here. So you have one for pet service businesses and one for the dog owners. So why don't you share with us what those are? OFFERS Absolutely, Krista. Thank you for the opportunity. So if you are a pet service business, and you're looking for some consulting, advice, marketing advice, technologies to help you automate some of this stuff, please go to unleashedconsulting.com. And you can book a free strategy call with a member of my team. And if you are a dog owner, we also do virtual training. So you don't have to be in the Virginia Beach or the Charlotte area, but you can get that free evaluation where we'll meet you will meet your dog through Obedient K9, https://www.obedientk9va.com/. And you can get a free evaluation through the website. Social Media URLs or Tags Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/unleashedconsulting/, https://www.instagram.com/obedient_k9_training/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/unleashedconsultingco, https://www.facebook.com/obk9charlotte LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/louie-torres-7a203b1a0/ Nice. Alright, so everybody gets to get something. The thing that we do differently with that evaluation, is not only are we going to evaluate your dog, but really take a step back, really put your dog into the situation so that we can take that second look and see what could possibly be the underlying cause. But the thing that we believe in is leading with value. So we're actually going to do your first training lesson during that session, right. And we're going to do a couple of different things to see how your dogs interacts with, with us and with our communication system. Because like I said, it's not just one system, we want to figure out what would be the best way for your dog to go. So again, thank you so much for your time, Krista. And yeah, those are the ways that I can help you guys out. Awesome. Well, of course, all of these links will be in the show notes. And so Louie, if anybody just wants to find out more information about you and the company, is it just the unleashedconsulting.com Correct. Okay. Awesome. All right. Well, Louie, thank you so much. And thank you to our listeners for wanting to do better for your dog. And hopefully this gave you some new insights. Thanks, everybody. Thanks again to our friends at Tail Chasers, makers of the Spleash leash handle. Spleash your leash and Hydrate, Protect and Walk Your dog With Ease, but don’t forget to use the code WOL for 15% off of your order at www.SPLEASH.com Thanks for listening. You'll find some helpful links in the show notes and if you enjoy the show, please be sure to follow and listen for free on your favorite podcast app. And please, please share your feedback. 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Hello everyone this is Krista with episode #149 on the Wag Out Loud pawdcast. Here's a cool thing that I just came across. Nominate your dog to be a part of the Dog Aging Project. This initiative brings together a community of dogs, owners, veterinarians, researchers, and volunteers to carry out the most ambitious canine health study in the world, and your dog can be a part of history. The Dog Aging Project will follow 10s of 1000s of companion dogs for 10 years in order to identify the biological and the environmental factors that maximize healthy longevity. How cool is that? All dogs, young, old, mixed purebred male, female, healthy, and even those with chronic illnesses are considered. So just go to https://dogagingproject.org/ to nominate your dog today to be a part of an unprecedented research platform, examining how genes lifestyle and environment influence aging. I enrolled Winston and yes, your dog can also help uncover what factors are associated with better health and a longer life. Welcome to the Wag Out Loud pawdcast, where we are obsessed with bringing you helpful tips on canine health care, nutrition, and overall wellbeing. If you'd like to support the show, check out the amazing online events, products and resources that I personally recommend on the Wag Out Loud website. I'm your host, Krista and I'm super excited to be bringing you yet another tail wagging episode. Kerry Cooke and her daughter are dog lovers. They’ve both found comfort and solace in dogs through their individual journeys to deal with trauma and adore going for long strolls with their pups. But they found carrying around water and a bowl to keep their canines hydrated burdensome. Carlsbad, California-based Cooke, who had always dreamed of being an entrepreneur, suddenly had her lightbulb moment – and thus SPLEASH was born. Her invention is a handle that attaches to a leash and holds 12 ounces of water along with a mini bowl, so any leash is immediately converted into a dog-friendly hydrating station. Today Cooke and her daughter are relishing running this new venture together, and are giving a portion of the proceeds to organizations that support domestic violence survivors. Hi there dog lovers! Ready for another informative episode? Well, we are about to chat with Kerry Cooke about Paw and Order! Therapy Dogs for Kids Testifying in Court. And Kerry, I have been looking forward to this interview for quite some time. I think we set this up almost a year ago. So could you please introduce yourself and share why are you so passionate about having therapy dogs allowed in the courtroom? Paw And Order Hi, yeah, thanks, Krista. Thank you for having me on the Wag Out Loud. We're really excited to talk about Paw and Order. So I recently started a company called Tail Chasers. I invented a product. And we wanted to really sort of pay homage and honor somebody who was impacted by domestic violence in the most profound way. And my daughter and I both had to testify in court in the trial. And we wanted to make sure that no other child to have to go and testify has to do it without the support of a therapy dog. Because we were lucky enough to have a therapy dog sit in the court waiting area with my daughter before she had to testify. You know, it was very, very emotional, emotionally charged situation. And to have that loving, beautiful dog sit with her and have her focus go to that animal was just…it meant everything to me, as her mother to see her, you know, coping with everything that she was going through, and then doing so with the aid of this therapy animal. So as we started setting up the company and started thinking about, you know, really what our mission is, and really what we want to do, we wanted to have something positive come out of such a negative situation and raise awareness and raise funds to help support others who have to go through a similar situation. So we've partnered with PetPartners.org to help certify therapy dogs for court. And we're trying to raise money for them every year through the sales of our products, but also through doing you know, the largest dog walk and things like that to again raise awareness and raise funds to help certify more dogs to help more kids. That is fantastic. Well, I love that you're giving back and the focus of this because before I chatted with you about this, I never knew that this was even a thing that you know dogs are more and more available in courtroom situations, so I can't imagine the whole experience of testifying in court, you know, it has to be stressful, as you said emotional, and especially for children, who are asked to probably recall traumatic experiences or memories. And I think we all know that the studies are out that they show that interacting with a dog lowers stress, puts us at ease. So having dogs in the courtroom to actually comfort victims just makes sense. So can you walk us through? How did you actually get to have a therapy dog with you and your daughter, when you went through this experience? Kerry’s Story Um, you know, that was very, very interesting and sort of slightly convoluted way that it came about. But I'm so thankful for all of the different things that had to fall into place for it to work out for us. I believe, you know, we live in in San Diego County, and this case was at the San Diego court. And they had just started allowing dogs to accompany victims who had to testify. And, and we were in a unique situation, we were being called to testify for the murder trial. And as you can imagine, again, very emotionally charged, and my daughter was, was going to testify, we went back and forth. So much about whether or not it you know, would be too much emotionally for her to testify. And a lot of the courtroom sort of experiences that you engage with are determined by what the the actual accused person wants, because it's their right to face their accusers. And we wanted to actually have her testify in what's called “in camera”, which means in a different room, so that she wouldn't have to be in the same room with the person that, you know, was the accused, and we, unfortunately, it was their right to, you know, say yes or no to that, and they wanted to see her testify. So the next step was okay, if we can't, if we still feel it's important enough for her to testify, and we can't do it in a different room on a camera, then, you know, what else can we do to help make her more comfortable, so they floated this new idea of having a dog accompany her. And, you know, right away, I was like, Oh, that would be amazing. She loves dogs so much. We at the time had three dogs at home, one of which was her, like her own very own emotional support dog who had helped her through some of the earlier stages before it got to trial. Because she cried into every night, this yellow lab named Leila, who was her heart dog. And I knew that as much as she loved Leila, and you know the other dogs too, but Leila really was her special understanding, emotional support. And they said, you know, we can offer a therapy dog for her, it's most likely going to be a yellow lab and her eyes just lit up on like, I knew that would be the right thing to do to help take her her mind off things. So they arranged for the dog to come wait with us. We had a special meeting/greeting room where we met the dog where she got to be more engaged with the dog and familiar with the dog. And then on the day of the testimony, we waited in the hallway with the dog, which was just I can't even put into words how much it meant to me to have that distraction for her. So she was 11 years old at the time, and, and being able to focus again on this amazing dog when there was, you know, just so much happening in the hallway of the court. It was yeah, it just meant everything to me. Again, unfortunately, the accused gets to dictate many times what happens with the people who are going into the court to testify. And the defense team actually refused to let the dog go in and sit in the courtroom with her. That was just another example of what a horrible person, he was to not allow this young child to utilize the therapy dog in the actual jury, you know, in the box, testimony box, witness box. And we were, you know, fairly distraught about that development when it happened. And we just decided, okay, well put all that love and affection into the dog before you have to go in. And then we had a stuffed animal that she got to hold in the witness box. But sitting there in the court watching her testify the little giraffe that she was holding, you could just see the neck of the giraffe shaking as she sat there recounting some very, you know, troubling, traumatic things. But I think having the therapy dog, I could see the difference in her demeanor in her confidence when we were in the hallway versus in the box to testify. I just want to make more, more parents, more children more comfortable if they have to go through something similar by making more therapy dogs available to help support families who are going through their gut wrenching emotional situation. Absolutely. And I didn't even know that this existed. And when I dug a little deeper, I learned about the Courtroom Dogs Act. Do you want to shed any light on that where we are with that? And do all states allow therapy dogs in the courtroom? Right now, to my knowledge, they're still working on it for federal courts, Dianne Feinstein and Corwin introduced a bill to allow therapy dogs in federal courts just this past June. I know, individual states have different regulations and are starting to really embrace this. I think it was Pennsylvania, who is the most recent state to allow dogs to accompany folks in court in and that was in like late September. So not every state allows it in their their state courtrooms. And they are working on a bill to pass for a federal courtroom. Good. And does the dog have to be accompanied by the handler? Or are they just they're in the courtroom. And the dog is actually most of the time in the box? In the hallway and the handler’s really nearby. I know. As I mentioned, unfortunately, we weren't allowed to have the dog sit while she testified with her. But what would normally happen is they would sit at the feet of whoever who's testifying, so they can reach down and pet the head and feel that comfort and support. The handler would be most likely in the in the courtroom somewhere in sort of the gallery. But they do they're such well trained dogs. They are so calm, and they have to go through a you know, a big certification process, which is what Pet Partners actually does. They help work with and train and do the certification for the therapy dogs that sit with kids in court. Okay, well, I want to dig a little deeper into that, but we're just gonna take a quick break right now for a sponsor ad. So we'll be right back. We so appreciate our friends at Tail Chasers, makers of SPLEASH for being this month’s sponsor. How do you conveniently carry the water your dog needs while making your routine walks safer AND more enjoyable? The answer is SPLEASH! This is a handle that easily attaches to your existing leash (whether that be made out of leather, rope or nylon) and is designed to hold up to 12 oz. of water. SPLEASH is a patent-pending spray leash handle available in two color options and is perfect for: Hydrating your dog on-the-go with its flip-open cup. As well as Protecting yourself, your dog, and potential off leash animals, with a 14-foot protective spray radius of water…it’s like a super cool water gun built into the handle of your leash! You can also use the spray to clean off paws or cool your dog down on hot/long walks. SPLEASH is a brilliant product that gives me an added sense of safety when I’m out on walks with Winston. Order your SPLEASH today and walk YOUR dog with confidence and ease. Check them out at www.SPLEASH.com and as a Wag Out Loud pawdcast listener, you get a 15% discount by using the code WOL at checkout We are back, and we are having an amazing chat with Kerry Cooke, talking about Paw and Order. And I am just so thrilled that there is this program to allow therapy dogs in the courtroom. So Kerry, we were just talking about, that these dogs do have special training, and they have to be good at reading people and reading the stress of people. So are these dogs just like, you know, I had Winston as a therapy dog for assisted living centers when he was younger? Would it be the same certification? Or is it a little bit different? Therapy Dog Training I am not 100% positive, if it is different than the standard training that they that they take dogs through, but it's really, it's almost more of a handler and the dogs that are that are being trained. They obviously have to be very well behaved animals and follow all of the cues, they have to pass all the health standards and make sure that their their, you know, animals welfare is protected along with the people that they're there to help. So there's, you know, guidelines on the minimum age and a maximum length of visit to sort of prevent the animals from being over exhausted or overworked. You know, they make sure that they keep up with all the veterinary care and those types of things. So the animals that they do bring to support the kids are really very well trained. Very well. acclimatized to the courtroom setting, they go through numerous loud banging noises, disruptive arguing, because all of those kinds of things are in that courtroom environment that they could be exposed to, and they need to not react. So, you know, the, as I mentioned, just, you know, our emotional state in being in the courtroom, the animals pick up on those types of things. So they do have to have that extra intensive training to deal with this high anxiety group of people that they're thrown in with when they're accompanying somebody to testify. Sure. I mean, if you can imagine, not only is the person that they're accompanying to testify in court anxious, and setting off all of those anxious signals to the dog that's so so are, you know, the defendants and the families that are there, and sometimes the courtroom can get very heated. So they do have to be very, very calm animals. Yes, absolutely. And are there certain breeds that are most often used in courtroom cases? I've just been experiencing, you know, educating myself as we started this company, and started to really want to, say pay it forward, but but endorse and work with and try and fund more therapy dogs. It seems to me that there's not any one specific type of dog that's used all the time. I mean, the yellow lab is obviously a very loving kind of type of dog. And that's the dog that we had, but I've seen, you know, German Shepherds, and little Pappilon dogs. They've, they have other therapy animals to the support, like rabbits and birds, even not for court rooms, but for, you know, other therapy related support. So, I think it's, you know, obviously, way more about the temperament and the capabilities of the individual animals. That has to be right, than any one breed. Some argue that the fact that let's say a child needs a therapy dog in the courtroom already signals to the jury that there's something that they need therapy for, you know, a child is already sympathetic. So give a child a dog and they're much more sympathetic. What do you say to that? Well, I think that was the exact reason why the defendant in the case that we were involved in didn't want to, you know, the dog to come in to it, they were already dealing with this child to, you know, was a witness and saw, you know, saw some things that that they wanted to communicate felt it was important to, to be known. And sitting, you know, this cute little blonde 11 year old down for the jury to talk about what she saw with the company of a dog would have just been too much. So it is within the defendant’s right to be able to, you know, refuse certain things that happen in their case, because it is their, you know, their life on the line, so to speak. But overall, what they found is that the therapy animals really helped to lower the stress level enough, but also open the witness up to almost sort of that comfort level where you feel like you're talking with the dog, and you can tell the dog anything, so they're able to be more free with their memories, and more open with what they're experiencing, because they are bringing the animal with them and having that extra support. Right. As I mentioned, you know, I feel like I saw the courage and the strength that she got from the therapy dog we sat with in the hallway. And we were out there for quite some time. So she had a really long time to enjoy that dog, and she loved on its neck so much and was talking to it. And I I feel like that distraction for her helped get her to a point where we could, you know, walk in and she could face the, you know, this daunting task that she was about to embark on. Right. Well, I did find a study by Wolford College in South Carolina. they did a study on they had mock jurors and reviewed real cases and had the dogs present. And what they found was surprising to them, that having a dog in the courtroom did not make any difference to the way that the jurors saw the case. So as I mentioned before, you would think that having a therapy dog there with a victim already elicits sympathy, that it would make the victim seem well more like a victim. And people would feel sorry for them. But this study showed no impact with a dog present. So I thought that was really interesting and just supports this program even more. Let's talk about Spleash. So that is your product that you have come up with under your company tail chasers. And you're using the sales of Spleash to support this organization that you chose called Pet Partners that has this therapy dog program supporting victims in court. First talk about Spleash. We'd love to learn I know about this product. I love this product. I think it's genius. And then tell us why did you choose Pet Partners out of all of the different organizations? Spleash Yeah, thank you. And thanks for the opportunity to spread the word about Spleash and about, you know, our our mission in supporting Pet Partners. We really appreciate it. As a bootstrapped startup, you know, you have to get out there and raise awareness and do it on a shoestring budget. So it's been a fun ride and a big learning experience and it's been really great because I do you know, now my daughter is grown and I do get to work with her. She's our creative director. She's my inspiration for for really all things and our dogs and they're a huge inspiration for us. And Lola, who is our biggest dog right now she's 91 pounds. She's a black lab/Weimaraner mix and we live in Southern California and it's always hot. Not always but right now it's a little bit chilly outside but it still is generally warm and sunny most days and walking with a black dog in Southern California you have to really monitor the time of day that you're walking the heat and make sure you bring your water. And I was always leaving without the water and get a couple blocks away and go, I have to go back and get it. Like there's got to be a better way to do this. And not keep forgetting the water. And I had one of those squeezy water bottles, you know, things that I would hang off my pant loop thing or off the leash itself, but it was always just a bit clumsy. And one day I was filling it up and sort of throwing it over at Lola like trying to cool her down. And I thought that a squirt gun would be great to, you know, to use on a walk. So I went home and duct taped a squirt gun to the end of my leash. And I started discovering all the great ways that you can use water. By squirting it on a walk with a dog, cleaning their paws, cleaning up messes on the sidewalk, spraying away any off leash animals that happened to you know, charge up at you you're not ready for. And you know, I Googled it and nothing like it existed yet. So I started on a great journey of researching and developing and launching a new product, which is Spleash. It’s a spray leash handle that you attach to your leash is it fits any regular sized rope, leather or nylon leash and holds 14 ounces of water and can spray at least 14 feet. And so we're hoping everybody will Spleash their leash. And the portion of all of our sales are going towards supporting this great organization, which I chose because it is national, it covers certifying dogs in all states and trying to work with organizations to help foster that and improve the situation for therapy animals in all areas that are used. They don't just focus focus on the kids in the courtroom. They focus on all in therapy, animal certification, but they specialize in working with kids in court as well. So I just wanted to choose an organization as we grow that could support hopefully, and they could support more therapy animal certifications every year. That sounds amazing. Well, I've tried the Spleash product. And I encourage everyone listening to check it out, because it does make life so much easier when you're out for a walk for your dog. And it's just genius to bring the water with you not only to spray on your dog, but it has a little flip in the handle so that the dog can actually drink right from the handle as well. And as you mentioned, Kerry, you know, there are those irresponsible dog owners that have their dogs off leash. What do you do when you're there with your dog, at least spraying the other dog will hopefully deter them and give you a chance to protect your dog. So again, so many reasons why I love this product. And Kerry is offering a very generous offer to our listeners. If you would like to try out the Spleash, listeners get a 15% discount, just use the code WOL2022. And you can get that just by going to Spleash.com. And ordering there. And of course, all of this information, including the Pet Partners link, all the links are going to be here in the show notes. So you know people definitely should share this episode. I didn't know about courthouse therapy dogs, so I'm sure a lot of other people don't either. And as we are wrapping up, there is one statistic that I found, you know, I asked you how many states are doing this. And I found that as of October of last year of 2021, there were at least 272 courthouse facility dogs working in 41 states. So that's great. But I think this program needs to go even further. I'm excited to hear that hopefully the legislation will be accepted on the federal level as well. So I can't thank you enough, Kerry for bringing this information to us for creating an amazing product and also supporting the Pet Partners Program. Do you have any parting words for us? Other than to just say thank you so much, Krista. We enjoy the Wag Out Loud pawdcast and are really excited to help again bring awareness to the great service that Pet Partners is, is providing and supporting other people and trying to bring that the memory and keep the memory alive of a beautiful woman who lost her life to domestic violence, named Jennifer Stark. And to make sure that we can make comfortable other children who are going through a traumatic event in their life, you know, summon up the courage to do the right thing and testify. Yep. And once again, dogs are amazing. They touch every part of our lives. So Kerry, thank you for sharing your story. Again, where can everyone find out more information about you and Spleash? www.spleash.com https://www.facebook.com/TailChasersLLC/ https://twitter.com/TailChasersLLC https://www.instagram.com/spleash_your_leash/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/tail-chasers-llc https://www.tiktok.com/@spleash_your_leash Okay, thank you, Kerry. Appreciate you. Thanks, Krista. Thanks again to our friends at Tail Chasers, makers of the Spleash leash handle. Spleash your leash and Hydrate, Protect and Walk Your dog With Ease, but don’t forget to use the code WOL for 15% off of your order at www.SPLEASH.com Thanks for listening. You'll find some helpful links in the show notes and if you enjoy the show, please be sure to follow and listen for free on your favorite podcast app. And please, please share your feedback. Visit WagOutLoud.com for great product recommendations with discounts, amazing online events and fantastic resources. That's also where to visit our Bark About It page where you can suggest topics, guests or products. Be advised that this show offers health and nutritional information and is designed for educational purposes only. You're encouraged to do your own research and should not rely on this information as a substitute for nor does it replace professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. If you have any concerns or questions about your dog's health, you should always consult a veterinarian or a nutrition expert. Have a tail wagging day and we'll catch you next time. Hey Winston was that another tail wagging episode?
Hi there! This is Krista with Episode #148 on the Wag Out Loud pawdcast. It's common knowledge that a dog's sense of smell is legendary. But did you know that his nose has as many as 300 million receptors? In comparison, our human noses have only about 5 million. Welcome to the Wag Out Loud pawdcast, where we are obsessed with bringing you helpful tips on canine health care, nutrition, and overall wellbeing. If you'd like to support the show, check out the amazing online events, products and resources that I personally recommend on the Wag Out Loud website. I'm your host, Krista and I'm super excited to be bringing you yet another tail wagging episode. Judy Baker is the driving force behind Dr Baker's System Saver... the safe, natural, anti-inflammatory phenomenon that is changing the lives of pets with pain. For 20 years, Judy has made it her mission to make this amazing formulation, created by her husband Dr. Don Baker, available to animal lovers all over the world. To date she has received literally thousands of testimonials from delighted pet owners who have been overjoyed to shake off the worry of using harmful anti-inflammatories, while delivering results that have been truly life changing. Prevention: Your Dog's Life Depends on It Hi there dog lovers. Thank you so much for tuning in to another Wag Out Loud pawdcast episode. And today we are chatting with Judy Baker, who is here to cover Prevention: Your Dog's Life Depends on It. Judy, I want to welcome you to the show, and ask you to please introduce yourself and tell us why you think it's so important to think about prevention early on with our dogs. Well, first, thank you so much for having me on Krista. I truly appreciate the opportunity to speak to everybody. And I am the co founder of Dr. Baker's Canine System Saver, which has been around for almost 23 years. That's pretty amazing. And why do you take the stance about prevention? Why are you so passionate about it? I think because I've learned so much from the people that I've dealt with over the last 23 years. And from what I've seen in my own dogs. And what's reported back to me. So many things get taken for granted, because they're simple. They're things you wouldn't ordinarily think of. And it can make such a big difference in the quality of the dog's life, and the longevity and how they spend that time living their life from something as simple as having blood work done. So you have a baseline of what you're looking at whether you start with a very young dog, or you start with an older dog that you rescue, or you happen to be in a senior rescue, like my friend, Penny Miller, from Frankie and Andy's Place, who deals with tons of seniors. You have to know what you're dealing with, so you can make the best decisions possible. Yep. And that's what this show is all about, how to be the best advocate for our dog's health and wellness. And, Judy, you probably agree, we've all heard the old adage, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. And I think it really holds true when it comes to the health of our dogs. So tell me if you agree. I absolutely agree. Okay. And, Judy, do you also think that the cost of prevention upfront is usually a fraction of the cost of treating a disease or problem once it's become more advanced? Absolutely, if you can stay ahead of something. And sometimes you can’t, an injury can happen that you never would have thought would be something that would be put in your path. And then you have to juggle a little bit and do the best you can with it. But it's going to save you time and angst over many years, if you can avoid things. I have so many people come to me all the time and say I wish I had thought of that sooner. I wish I had known that sooner. Even if it's something as simple as having hardwood floors, with a dog that's newly injured. You want to get something down on those floors so that your dog has traction, be it a yoga mat or be it anything that they have traction on. It's simple little things that you can add in. We all know about diet or I should say we're learning about it. We learn as we grow and I think that our dogs are some of our greatest teachers. Absolutely and Judy, you hit it on the head that it's all about education. We can't beat ourselves up you know once an issue does arise. Oh, I shoulda, coulda, woulda. That's what this show is all about. And that's why speaking to people like you, that educate people, what can we do for preventative measures, and we have a crisis going on, over 50% of our dogs, especially over the age of 10, are going to get cancer. And that is just awful statistics. And we should be thinking more, how do we prevent the cancer and the other diseases that we're seeing so much of? So I am so excited about this topic. And I wanted to ask you, Judy, what does dog preventative care mean to you? Knowledge is Key It means a scope of things. It's not just one thing, environment, environment plays into it, feeding your dog plays into it. And when you talk about feeding your dog, I never want people to feel like there's guilt involved in that. I think people who are becoming aware, are doing the very best they can. And sometimes you can't make a total change in a diet. But you can make small incremental changes. And I think everything you do even if it is tiny steps toward the ultimate goal of having quality of life. Because everybody strives for longevity. But without quality of life, it means nothing. And I think that everybody has that goal. But knowledge comes to people differently. And I think a lot of people in your audience are looking for options, they're looking for alternatives. And there are a lot of them out there. Some are better than others. And it's about doing a little bit of research. Well, to your point, Judy, nothing in the pet industry is regulated. So we do have to educate ourselves, we have to do the research. And as we said, we have to be the advocates for our dogs, you know, they can't talk. So on this show, our listeners know that we look at integrative or even holistic approaches to wellness. So things like as you mentioned, you know, a high quality diet is a great foundation to start with when it comes to prevention. And we're going to talk about this in a little while, but exercise for your dog, promoting a healthy gut, keeping your dog's teeth and gums healthy. So it's really a whole body approach when it comes to health and wellness and prevention. And that also includes diet, and exercise. And making sure that emotionally your pets feel safe, that you spend time with them. And you give them quality time. Taking the dog on a walk and spending that walk, unless it's an emergency, on your phone, isn't giving them the time that they deeply require. Because they're very emotional beings just like we are. And they know the difference. If you're paying attention to them, or if you're not. It's funny you say that. That is one of my pet peeves is going out for a walk and seeing people with their dogs and they're on the phone. Yeah, me too. I don't know about you, Judy. But my best thinking happens when I'm out for a walk with my dog out in nature, when my mind is free, and I'm breathing fresh air, and I am bonding with my dog. it's such an opportune moment to do that. And I wish more people would realize it. It's so true and one of my dogs loves to run. She ended up with an injury this summer that caused her to have to be on a leash and not run the way she loves to. And I felt guilty that I couldn't just let her go the way she wanted to. And I had to fight myself, to say to myself, No, you have to be very present with her and make sure that she doesn't reinjure something and that I can be her advocate give her the time she needs to heal and be very protective of her. When all I wanted to do was let her run and be happy. But I knew in the long run she'd be happier if I did what I was doing at the time. The Importance of a Baseline You're so right. And we also have to think about others. You know, it's another pet peeve of mine people think that letting their dog off leash when they do not have control over the dog, you know, that puts you and your dog in jeopardy. So I just I encourage people to be more respectful and cognizant, and I know our listeners are the good guys. So why don't we get into prevention. And you said this early on, and I love how you worded it that it's great to get a baseline early on. So whether you have a puppy or you adopt an adult dog, it's so important that during their wellness examinations, that you get the baseline of a urinalysis and a stool sample and the blood work. Do you agree? Absolutely. Because you can't know if something's changed. And you can't ever go back and wonder, well, is this normal for my dog, even if it looks off, it might not be off for your dog, it might be something that dog’s had all its life. So getting a baseline and knowing what you're dealing with, from whatever stage you start out with your dog is, a really good way of staying ahead of something. Yep, I agree. And to that point, a few episodes ago, #142, we talked about this amazing program called Pet Health 5, which is FREE. And it's monthly emails, just as a reminder to do a body scan, temperature check, weight check, dental exam, and a check on heart rate. So simple to just take a few minutes every month. So if anybody's interested again, that's free, it's just a monthly reminder, check out episode number 142. On the Pet Health 5. I actually just listened to that over the weekend. And I think it's a wonderful program and a wonderful idea. Because it takes such a short time to check in. And when a dog looks healthy and happy, you never think about them not being that way. But dogs are very stoic beings. And they don't show a lot of times when something doesn't feel quite right to them. They'll see a raccoon or a rabbit or a chipmunk, and they'll go after it anyway, just for fun, right? But if you have a baseline, and you can follow the progress of something, or know if whatever you're seeing is just the way your dog is because they're all individuals. It's just a safe way to check in. Absolutely. And I know a lot of people go as far as journaling, that in addition to visits to the vet and all of the records that they keep that a lot of dog parents journal, you know, okay, Winston has a lipoma on his chest. And then a month later, oh, there's another lipoma. I'm going to write that down, you know, has the other one grown.? So it's just a great way to keep your own records, in addition to the veterinary records. It's funny you said that because the other thing is measuring them. Because it's so easy for us. Because we love them so deeply. To kind of not want to know if they've changed. We want to know, and we don't want to know. So a little bit of denial plays in. So if you journal and you chart, you know what you were looking at a month before, and if something has changed a month later, and if it's down there in writing, you can't give yourself that little bit of denial that you want, even though in the big picture, you wouldn't want that at all. Great, great advice. Well, Judy, this is a great place for us to take a short commercial break, so hold on everybody. Thanks so much to the team at System Saver for being this month’s feature sponsor. Dr. Baker’s Canine System Saver is an outstanding all-natural supplement that promotes healthy aging. Originally created by a veterinarian to help restore health and soundness to dogs suffering from chronic inflammatory and degenerative conditions, this is one product that does so much! Perfect for: arthritis, hip dysplasia & joint support, chronic dermatitis, inflammatory and autoimmune diseases, and geriatric support for successful aging and quality of life extension. At 13 yrs old,my dog Winston has a better quality of life and has found so much more energy being on this amazing product!” Now with the start of allergy season, System Saver works wonders on canine allergies as well. Learn more by going to http://caninesystemsaver.com/ to relieve your dog’s discomfort naturally. And as a bonus, Wag Out Loud listeners can take advantage of a 10% discount by using the code WOL10 at checkout! Hello, everyone, we are back speaking with Judy Baker about the importance of prevention. And Judy, does it all boil down to simply preventing inflammation? I think so many diseases start with inflammation. And I think so many issues with joints, start with the degradation of the tissue around cartilage. And that can cost a dog long term, even if it starts out very slowly. And if you have a dog that is very active, does agility, you're putting more stress on the body on the joints. It's something you want to try and take into consideration that maybe as the dog gets to a certain point or certain age, there's a way to intervene and get in front of it, rather than walking behind it. Because when you walk in behind it, it's a lot harder to get control of it. Right. Well, in a nutshell, you're you're telling us about how we can be proactive, to hold off the inevitable. Of course, we all want our dogs to live forever. And unfortunately, that is not the case. So for as long as we have them in our lives, we can make sure that they are happy and healthy. And when you and I chatted just a little while ago, you said such a great thing that yes, we go to the vet to address a certain issue, but that we need to go with our guts. Do you want to expand on that? You Know Your Dog the Best Sure. I think that there are a lot of wonderful veterinarians out there, my husband being one of them. But he's a large animal vet. And he comes from a very, very different frame of mind, he's open, always been very open minded. But a lot of vets are not. They’re old school, even if they've just graduated. And they're very cut and dry about the way they practice medicine. And a lot of people feel very intimidated by their vets laying out a plan, and then not feeling right to them. And when people come to me, it's usually in crisis. And their vet has told them this, that and the other thing and they don't want their dogs on Rimadyl, or Apoquel or things that can cause damage and makes things even worse than what they already went in for. And I don't know if the vets don’t have enough time to do the research to find out or it’s just the way they were trained in school. But I do know that nobody knows your dog better than yourself. Because you're with them every day. You watch them every day. You know, you look at them. And there's a connection that they might like your vet, but they don't have that connection with your vet. And if something doesn't feel right to you, go get another opinion. That doesn't mean go to Dr. Google, necessarily. But get another opinion. Try and find somebody else. Try and find a friend who knows somebody, who knows somebody and talk to people. Great, great advice. Well, when it comes to prevention, there's a balance, you know how much is too much because prevention could actually go in the wrong direction of paranoia. And we become overly protective. And we have our dogs on every supplement that we've heard about. And, you know, we give them all the vaccines and flea and tick medications and heartworm all for prevention. When we have to take a step back, are we giving toxic substances to our dogs for the what ifs. And you and I've talked about this at great length. There's other options and natural alternatives. So Judy, I would love for you to share your story about Pepsi and how System Saver came to be. The History of System Saver Thank you. Pepsi is really the reason that System Saver was formulated. He was a beautiful, beautiful Akita that we were lucky enough to take home as a “very healthy puppy”, who by the time he was six months old started losing his hair. And to make a very long and horrible story short, we took him to everywhere. And doors were open to us because Don was a vet and very well respected. We went to the University he went to, which was Cornell, we took him to all kinds of specialists. And the best advice we got was to euthanize him. And this was when he was less than a year old. It started when he was about six months old. And because Don had always been alternative, he was a certified acupuncturist for horses. Over 30, some odd years ago, he had started doing research on a number of different things that he felt would help Pepsi. And he really targeted in on reducing inflammation, and slowing down the degenerative process, and trying to cut into the overdrive, that Pepsi’s system had gone into. And this magnificent dog lost every piece of hair on his body. And he was very close to death. And for whatever reason, I remember looking at him at one point and saying, if we can save this dog, I want to be able to help one person. And I documented a lot of this. And it was horribly visual. And when we started System Saver, he was on more supplements than you could imagine. I could fill my own store with them. And everything had to stop. Because we had to know if this was going to work or not. Because we were not going to keep this dog alive for us. But if he was willing to fight, so were we. We started him on System Saver and Don and I actually started taking it along with him. And slowly, very slowly, it took about three weeks. And he started eating again. The light came back into his eyes. All his hair grew back over time. And I'll never say he was cured. But his health was restored and he was maintained on System Saver for the rest of his life. And he lived until he was almost 13 years old. And people would come to me and say that's not the same dog. And I would be like, it is the same dog. And I was hand making capsules for people 23 years ago. And you never got a diagnosis as to what was going on with Pepsi, right? Vaccinosis We never got a diagnosis back then. My belief is that it was Vaccinosis because I had asked the breeder not to vaccinate him, because he was way too young. And that was our feeling at the time that he. was just too young. And you vaccinate when you need to vaccinate when you have to or you titer. But he was such a young baby, he was coming home with us. We could deal with it a little bit later on let his body and his own immune system kick in. We found out much later that the breeder had vaccinated him and it destroyed his immune system. Yep, we've talked about that on the show many times. And Pepsi taught me an invaluable lesson. He really did. And, you know, all of my dogs have, you know, I'm gonna jump to Amber only because I never even thought to put this Rhodesian Ridgeback who was magnificent, athletic, two years old. She broke a digit in her paw. And the best advice we got from small animal vets was to take the digit off. And Dan said no. To resettling and cast it. He paid for that dearly because she chewed that cast off every single night. And he was up at two o'clock in the morning recasting her but as she healed, which took about four months, I was so paranoid about anything happening to her that I kept her on it. And I realized that it changed the way she lived her life, the quality of her life in the way she aged, and I just lost her last March, at the end of March today actually would have been her 15th birthday. And Rhodesian Ridgebacks don't live that long. And until the very end, she lived a very good life. So as heart sick as I am to have lost her, she taught me another piece of prevention. And I am grateful to her for that. And I pass that on to every dog that's out there. Because they're never with us long enough. And quality of life is everything. Absolutely. Well, Judy, can you tell us what is in System Saver and what issues besides joint problems does it address? System Saver is a proprietary blend of very special ingredients that Don chose. And he chose them because of what they could do. And inflammation was at the head of it. And degeneration of tissue was the other because he wanted to prevent whatever was going on with Pepsi at the time. And he also wanted to intervene in the overreaction of his immune system. And System Saver is all natural. It has human grade ingredients in it. It has the most bioavailable form of turmeric in it. It has mandarin orange in it, frankincense, green tea and Boswellia. And I have to let our listeners know that Winston is on System Saver. And I like to think that he is the healthiest dog on earth because of what I do. But I do have to say after I'd say about a week and a half, I noticed that he was playing with his toys again, that he had much more energy during the day. You know, he's almost 13 And he sleeps usually during the day while I'm working. And now he's up, he wants to go on more walks, longer walks. So just the energy that he has gained is amazing to me. I can only imagine if he did have other issues which System Saver is known to address. You know, not only inflammatory issues, but dermatitis and inflammatory issues with autoimmune diseases. And just joint Yep, the joints that you mentioned. So arthritis, hip dysplasia, and a perfect supplement for a dog that is just aging and to improve their quality of life, in your words, quality of life extension. I love that. So I love this product. Well, thank you. I was gonna say I so appreciate that, and I never get tired of hearing it. And if you really want to learn about seniors, as a group, look at Frankie and Andy's Place in Winder, Georgia. It's a sanctuary for senior dogs. Winston has had a good life, he's had a great life with you. The dogs at Frankie and Andy's Place have been badly abused. A lot of them were taken from kill shelters, and System Saver has brought them around. And whether they have a month left or it extends their life, which has happened more times than not, their quality of life changes. And Winston will continue on with his quality of life being good. And it really fills my heart to hear that. And thank you for sharing that. You bet. And just a reminder for everybody. System Saver comes in formulations for dogs, for horses, and for us humans. So Judy and her team are making an amazing offer that I wanted to share with all of you. If you go to caninesystemsaver.com and use the code WOL10, you get 10% off of your order. Whether you order for your dog, your horse or yourself, I highly encourage you to check out this amazing product that will change the lives of you and your animals. So Judy, as we wrap up, and I want to thank you so much. Prevention is so important. And we can start preventing at an early age. So where can everyone find out more information about you and System Saver? System Saver, the best place to go was the website, which is CanineSystemSaver.com Is anybody who wants to get in touch with me directly, is more than welcome to use my cell phone to contact me 516-860-5096. I've talked to people seven days a week. And if you want to put that up on your website, as well, you're more than welcome to. Because the truth is I pretty much live, eat and breathe this. I've been an animal lover my whole life. And I'm just like everybody in your audience. I love my animals, and I want to do whatever I can for them. And I feel the same way about the people's pets that come to me. Cell: 516.860.5096 https://caninesystemsaver.com https://www.facebook.com/DrBSystemSaver/ https://twitter.com/DrBSystemSaver https://www.instagram.com/DrBSystemSaver/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkK2RYgjzmYp9biq39lBwaw Well, I want to thank you and Don, for being so passionate and for making an amazing product. And I just want to thank you for your time today and all the information that you shared. Well, I thank you so much, Krista. And I'm so glad you're doing well. Winston, thank you for so much for giving me this opportunity to share my story. Thanks, Judy. Thanks again to our friends at System Saver for sponsoring this month’s episodes . Check out this fantastic all-natural formula by going to http://caninesystemsaver.com/ and be sure to use the code WOL10 for 10% off! Thanks for listening. You'll find some helpful links in the show notes and if you enjoy the show, please be sure to follow and listen for free on your favorite podcast app. And please, please share your feedback. Visit WagOutLoud.com for great product recommendations with discounts, amazing online events and fantastic resources. That's also where to visit our Bark About It page where you can suggest topics, guests or products. Be advised that this show offers health and nutritional information and is designed for educational purposes only. You're encouraged to do your own research and should not rely on this information as a substitute for nor does it replace professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. If you have any concerns or questions about your dog's health, you should always consult a veterinarian or a nutrition expert. Have a tail wagging day and we'll catch you next time. Hey Winston was that another tail wagging episode?
Hello everyone this is Krista with Episode #147 on the Wag Out Loud pawdcast. Do you know why dogs curl up in a ball when they sleep? Well, it's actually to protect their organs. It's a holdover from their days in the wild when they were vulnerable to predator attacks. Welcome to the Wag Out Loud pawdcast, where we are obsessed with bringing you helpful tips on canine health care, nutrition, and overall wellbeing. If you'd like to support the show, check out the amazing online events, products and resources that I personally recommend on the Wag Out Loud website. I'm your host, Krista and I'm super excited to be bringing you yet another tail wagging episode. Canine Cannabinoids for Dummies Alex Kozushin started Genie's Therapeutics with his wife and co-founder, Christi Webb, when their Airedale Terrier, Genie, was diagnosed with a fast-growing nasal cancer. With few options available, they developed a cannabinoid-containing tincture to help Genie. Genie lived two more healthy years after starting with cannabinoids. After fours years of research and development, Genie's released their first product, "Hemp Signature Blend," this past September. Hello dog lovers and welcome to another fascinating Wag Out Loud episode. And today I am joined by Alex Kozushin, and he is here to dumb down all of the confusion and overwhelm around CBD for our dogs. So Alex, first of all, I want to thank you for being with us today. Could you please introduce yourself and tell us why are you so passionate about the science of cannabinoids for canines? Sure, and thanks for the question. My name is Alex Kozushin. And I am the CEO of Genie’s Therapeutics, and we're a canine wellness company. And our signature product is a CBD product. So we first got involved or I first got involved in CBD when our Airedale Terrier, our beloved Airedale Terrier, was diagnosed with the fast growing sarcoma in his nasal passage, and he had to go through a bunch of different surgeries. And there were no real positive options. And we were basically given a very poor prognosis of three to four months, or six to eight months with radiation and side effects that came along with it. And we wanted to give Genie something to make him feel better, because we weren't sure how long he was going to be around. And so we formulated our first tincture, back in 2016. And the results were amazing. And from that point on, we spoke to our veterinarian after Genie was diagnosed in remission. And she said that we had an obligation to move over to this. This was the first organized formulation that she had seen. And she had many anecdotal stories about CBD, and cannabis helping other dogs. And that was our motivation, we got started, we actually took our formulation and we went out to social media and we said, We'll give it to you for free if you can, if you can demonstrate to us that would potentially benefit your dog. And three years later, the results were amazing. And we move forward. So I see so many amazing stories and results. With even the most basic CBD products, even the basic CBD isolates that I can't help but be passionate because I know that our wellness is directly correlated to the wellness of our fur babies. So I know the difference it makes and I'm really looking forward to discussing it. Well, I am so happy that you're here to share your expertise. And thanks to Genie, for being the dog that started all of this to help other dogs. And I think our listeners know that we've had many episodes in the past focusing on CBD, how it's made, how to read a certificate of analysis, how to speak to your vet about it, the studies showing how it treats cancer and even recently we had one on how it benefits dogs with Cushing's. So Alex, before we dive in, can you quickly summarize what is the difference between hemp and cannabis? Difference between hemp and cannabis Well, from a scientific perspective, there is no difference. It's the same exact plant so the only difference is regulatory difference. So there's often you hear hemp and marijuana, two different things. Really they’re the exact same plant. What the regulatory difference is that THC. So the FDA considers anything point 3% of THC or less to be hemp. Anything that has point 3% more of THC is considered cannabis. They're all cannabis. It's all cannabis. The reason why they use this kind of regulatory distinction is because the one cannabinoid THC can be intoxicating to humans and dogs. So therefore, that's why the regulatory difference. Otherwise there is no difference from the scientific perspective. What is the endocannabinoid system? Okay, great explanation. Well, the science of cannabis, you know, we've realized I didn't know before I got into this field that we have an endocannabinoid system and our dogs do as well. Can you briefly tell us, what does that system actually do? How does it work? You're exactly right, we actually have an endocannabinoid system. And as well as dogs do. In fact, dogs actually have a larger system, more receptors in their brainstem than actually humans do. And this endocannabinoid system actually affects all parts of our wellness, from neurological, the physiological to gut health, and everything in between. So our endocannabinoid system has an effect on every part of our wellness. And that's the same goes for dogs. Wow, that's amazing. So in your mind, we as well as our dogs, should be taking some sort of CBD as a preventative. As a wellness measure, absolutely. And it's all about dosing. But the reality is that when we tested over the course of three years, we've done at once there was a therapeutic dose achieved, that the parents of the dogs did not want to stop utilizing CBD because there was a wellness factor associated. Their dog had a little bit more energy, they can have more pep in the step. Their tails are wagging a little bit more. So overall, there is no negative in taking CBD. There's almost no side effects. And the positives, way outweigh the negatives. Okay. And is CBD the only cannabinoid that we should care about? Or are there others? Oh, yes, so CBD is an important major cannabinoid. But there are plenty of others. And research is really just beginning. So far, we know that there's over 300 chemical compounds in the cannabis plant, and that includes cannabinoids, terpenes, which is a smell, and flavonoids. And we're just tipping the iceberg. And what we know is we've done studies on how CBD affects mammals. We've done studies on how THC affects mammals. But we haven't even started to research all these other cannabinoids, let alone when these cannabinoids are combined together, what's known as an entourage effect and the effect that they have when they're combined together. So we're just beginning the research really on the potential of our endocannabinoid system and cannabinoids. That's amazing. Well, I've heard some people say I don't know if you agree that cannabis is the single most significant new development in veterinary medicine to emerge in the last 20 years. Do you agree with that? Yes, I do agree with that. There is really CBD and cannabinoids affect all part of dogs’ wellness, all parts of their physiology. So and the early results have been so tremendous in testing that really there is really nothing that compares so far in the latest research. There's been no medication. In the last 20 years veterinary medicine and Veterinary Health there haven't been too many new medications. There hasn't been too many new research that has shown as promising as cannabinoids. So I do genuinely believe that. This is that cannabinoids are the best prospects for canine wellness. Acidic forms of cannabinoids Okay, well, before I got into this, I never knew about the acidic forms of cannabinoids. So can you break that down because this is for dummies. And I feel like I'm a dummy when it comes to acidic forms. So talk about it. What what do those look like and what do they do? Sure, so the acidic forms of cannabinoids show incredible potential. And really, there's been we're just starting to research there. What the acidic oral cannabinoid just for example, CBDA and then is the acidic form of CBD. THCA is the acidic form of THC. These cannabinoids are extracted when the plant is still wet before the plant is decarboxylated. Decarboxylated means when the plant starts to degrade and dry. Then that THCA, that CBDA turns into THC and CBD. There's new research that really indicates that CBDA, THCA, these acidic forms react in different ways on dogs, than they're decarboxylated cousins like CBD and THC. And the new research really out of Cornell University even indicates that when these the acidic form, and the regular form is combined together, the results are even more efficacious, even more promising. So the interesting thing about these acidic forms, for example, with THCA, THC is intoxicating to humans and to dogs. And that is one of the side effects. What's interesting is the acidic form of THC, THCA is not intoxicating. So there's an awful lot of research on the human and canine side that shows that these acidic forms could be even more promising medicinally, then even their decarboxylated cousins. That's amazing. Well, you mentioned the Cornell study. And they proved that the one to one ratio of CBD and CBDA, shows even stronger anti inflammatory benefits. And we know inflammation is the root cause of all disease. So that's really exciting to me. Oh, yeah, that's potentially the most exciting part. And that study showed that when you combine CBD and CBDA, you actually can use less, and it lasts longer. And it's more consistent in the bloodstream. I mean, the results are so promising and so exciting for these acidic forms. Is the acid actually extracted from the plant or how is the acid itself made? So the acidic forms are in the plant before when the plant is still living, when the plant is still whole, before it's cut down. And the trick, they have to be handled very carefully in order to be able to extract these acidic forms before the plant starts to dry, and degrade. So the extraction process has to happen without heat. And it has to happen very quickly. So often, it's more expensive and more challenging to extract. So hopefully in the future, we'll find ways to lower the cost of extracting these acidic forms, but it's challenging and it has to happen very quickly before the plant starts to degrade. Fascinating. Well, I think this is a great time for us to take a quick commercial break, so we will be right back. SPONSOR AD Thanks so much to the team at System Saver for being this month’s feature sponsor. Dr. Baker’s Canine System Saver is an outstanding all-natural supplement that promotes healthy aging. Originally created by a veterinarian to help restore health and soundness to dogs suffering from chronic inflammatory and degenerative conditions, this is one product that does so much! Perfect for: arthritis, hip dysplasia & joint support, chronic dermatitis, inflammatory and autoimmune diseases, and geriatric support for successful aging and quality of life extension. At 13 yrs old, my dog Winston has a better quality of life and has found so much more energy being on this amazing product! Now with the start of allergy season, System Saver works wonders on canine allergies as well. Learn more by going to http://caninesystemsaver.com/ to relieve your dog’s discomfort naturally. And as a bonus, Wag Out Loud listeners can take advantage of a 10% discount by using the code WOL10 at checkout! And we are back with this fascinating talk about CBD for dogs and Alex is dumbing it down for us, which we really appreciate. But so much stuff I didn't know before. Alex, we're now going to get into we've heard about carrier oils. Tell us why we need to care about the carrier oil with different CBD products. Importance of Carrier Oils You know, Krista in that earlier question you had about the Cornell University study, there was also some really interesting information that came out of that study. And basically, there's a couple of different points to make. First of all, there is some research that indicates that coconut oil, which is a medium chain, triglyceride or often known as MCT oil, can be inflammatory in dogs. It's beginning research, but there is showing that that is that potential. And therefore, when Cornell did the study, they actually utilized what's called long chain triglycerides. Long chain triglycerides are different than medium chain triglycerides. So some examples of long chain triglycerides are sesame oil, olive oil, fish oil. And some examples of medium chain triglycerides are hemp seed oil, coconut oil, palm oil. So this new research really indicates that when using besides the potential for inflammation with coconut oil, besides that, there's also potential to increase efficacy of cannabinoids using long chain triglycerides. So LCT oils tend to be a little bit more expensive. They're not as easily stable, but they are more efficacious. And they do allow for ,at least preliminary research is. showing that they allow for CBD to stay in the bloodstream longer and more consistently, than it would with a medium chain triglyceride. So this research is just beginning. But it's really, really important to understand that this potential is really large. And really, the takeaway is, we need to be careful with coconut oil, because we're not potentially it could be fine. But early research indicates that it could be inflammatory. So if we're using cannabinoids to be anti inflammatory, it's counterproductive to be using a carrier oil with those cannabinoids that causes inflammation. Makes sense. Well, just a reminder to everybody this industry is not regulated, and therefore we see so many products out there. You know, we don't know which ones to choose, which are good, which are bad. So I wanted to ask you about, we see some products such as yours, with a USDA organic certification. Can you tell us about that and why it's so important? USDA Organic Oh, absolutely. Yes, it's critical. You know, Krista, just as you pointed out, our industry is a little bit like the Wild Wild West, there is no regulation, very little. So the USDA organic certification is really important, because there's an awful lot of products out there. And right now where the consumer or the pet parent is just becoming starting to become educated. So how do they figure out what's what? Because really, you could see a package on the shelf, generic package, and they could say this has 900 milligrams of CBD. In reality, there's no one checking that. There's no one assuring that that's accurate. Unless you have a certification body like USDA certifying the product. And basically, when you get that USDA organic certification, that tells you that the products are at least 95% organic, number one, and number two, what they say is in the bottle is in the bottle. And that's what's really important because otherwise you don't know. The USDA organic certification process requires third party testing. Not only that, they also evaluate your packaging. They make sure that you say the right things on the box. They they make sure that you don't say the wrong things. And they reject you until you get it right. So what does that mean? That means when you see that USDA organic certification, you can relax and know that's what's on the box is actually in the bottle. And that it doesn't contain all the harmful pesticides that so many of our crops have, you know, we've had experts on the show talk about glyphosate for one. So this is just a reassurance that we are not giving our dogs a toxic contaminated product, right? Oh, yeah, absolutely. And, you know, there's an awful lot of testing labs out there. So just a third party testing, which you often see isn't always a reassurance. You don't know the relationship between the brand and laboratory. You don't know how reliable that laboratory is. So with the USDA, they verify everything, they check everything. And as you pointed out, all these contaminants, including different ways that these cannabinoids are extracted, are potentially in the product. And until you get that USDA organic certification that tells you they're not in there, you cannot know that for sure unless you do your own testing. Right. Well, I know one of the biggest topics when it comes to CBD for our dogs is dosing. Can you unpack that for us? How do we figure out dosing? Proper Dosing So really dosing is the most important thing when it comes to CBD. Because really, if you dose too little, then there's no therapeutic benefit. If you dose too high. There's also potential for no therapeutic benefit and there's also some potential for GI issues with too much carrier oil. So what's important is really that dosing. Science has shown us, including Cornell University, and plenty of other studies on canines and on humans that show us how important dosing is. So often you see on CBD products, you'll see something like a dog that weighs 3 to 25 pounds has one dose, a dog that weighs 26 to 50 pounds has a second dose, 51 to 75 pounds as a third dose. And really, there's no way that a three pound dog is going to have the same dose as a 25 pound dog. That's just not based on science. So what's really important is to get that proper dose. And the proper dose seems to be the target dose, two milligrams per kilogram of bodyweight. That's where often is the target dose. But what's important is titration up to start low, go slow, because really, you know, especially with CBD nowadays, once you reach your therapeutic benefit, there's no reason to go higher, you're wasting money, and you're increasing the potential for GI side effects. So once you get that therapeutic dose, you stop, and then you wait until the body adjusts, and you possibly move up or you don't. So dosing can't be based on 25 pound increments of bodyweight. It has to be based on every single pound of body weight. So unless you get dosing right, you might not see that therapeutic benefit on your dog, you may think it's not working while the potential is absolutely there to help your dog. Make sense. So speaking of dosing, what are your thoughts on the products that we see such as treats with CBD? How can you even figure out what your dog is really getting? Since you're not administering via a tincture? Treats with CBD You know, that's a great, great question. And great point, Krista. And I'm still, I'm still concerned about treats for a couple different reasons. First of all, with treats you also have all these, you have the ingredient that makes the ingredients that make the treats themselves. So there's possibilities for allergic reaction, not sure how the dogs digest them. And then these treats have a certain set amount of cannabinoids in them. A certain set amount of CBD. So for example, if there's two milligrams of CBD in a treat, you have to give your larger dog 20 treats in order to get that therapeutic dose every 12 hours. So it's much easier to control dosing, it's much easier to titrate up. And it's substantially easier to get that therapeutic benefit using tinctures rather than treats. I am somewhat concerned about treats. Well, and I hear for the future. That was my next question, that we're gonna see inhalers and transdermals beadlets and more topicals. Oh, absolutely. There's so much potential and we know that we have cannabinoid receptors on our skin. And we know that dogs have cannabinoid receptors on their skin. So there's so much potential there for topicals. We know there's all types of different administration methods, but all you need to be tested in controlled dose by dose by dose by small increments, which treats often can't do. Yeah. Do you think we're gonna see veterinary cannabis being taught in vet school? Veterinary Education in CBD It already is. I think you already see programs out there with in and they're just beginning you already see veterinary cannabis certification programs out there for veterinary technicians, for veterinarians. And they’re getting this done because the reality is veterinarians are asked every single day about CBD, about cannabinoids, and they're in a difficult situation. First of all, they're not particularly educated in it yet. And they also have these regulatory challenges. So considering the potential on canine wellness with cannabinoids, I think that we are just tipping the iceberg. And I I really think that there's going to be increased training, there’s going to be increased certification, including at these excellent veterinary programs all over the country. That's so exciting. Is there anything else that you see as far as this science of CBD emerging in the near future? CBGA What I'm particularly watching is a cannabinoid called CBG. CBGA, the acidic form of CBG is considered the mother of all cannabinoids because everything starts from CBGA. Even CBDA and THCA. They come from CBGA. So what I'm particularly interested in I'm really interested in finding science and research that shows how this CBGA is extracted. And what potential therapeutic benefit there is on canines and on humans. I really think that the acidic forms, kind of circling back to acidic forms offer incredible potential and they also work scientifically different than cannabinoids do. They work with different receptors, or they work in different ways. So CBGA is really exciting for me. We'll have to keep an eye on that. There's so many acronyms. How do you keep track? Oh, gosh, you can and I still get lost but really just the focus is, you know, CBD, CBDA, and THC, THCA. Those are really the major cannabinoids right now that we're seeing in plants. Once we get that science down once we have an understanding, I think we'll move forward. But the potential is so exciting. So overwhelmingly exciting on the you know, for the medical and therapeutic benefits on dogs. And even on humans, that I'm overwhelmed with excitement about what the future holds for cannabinoids in canines. Me, too. I think we're just scratching the surface. So Alex, do you agree that higher quality and purity are usually associated with a higher cost when we're looking at products? CBD Quality In general? Yeah, absolutely. I think it's not always 100% the case, because really, there isn't really a set pricing mechanism in our industry. As I mentioned earlier, it's a little bit of a wild wild west. And CBD is a consumer product good just like any consumer product goods. So things like packaging, advertising, marketing, all that affect the pricing. So it's not always the case, that price means better quality. But you have to research the product you’re giving to your dog. Take the time to do that. I know it's not easy. I know it takes time. I know it requires science. But it's going to make a difference in the life of your dog. In the quality of life for your dog, which in essence is going to make a difference in the quality of life for you and the quality of life for your family. So take the time to research it. Higher price doesn't always mean higher quality, but it's a place to start. Great advice. And I know, the cheaper options, you know, those are the ones that can potentially have more toxic substances, like the pesticides, the herbicides, heavy metals. So as you said, you really have to do your homework when you're looking at these different brands. Because again, this is an unregulated industry. Yeah, it's actually you know, it's more expensive for us to go through the USDA organic certification process,. It's more expensive for us to extract CBDA as opposed to just CBD. It's more expensive for us to use full spectrum extracts than it would be an isolate. So it's clearly more expensive to develop a high quality product. So it's important to understand that. Well, Alex, that brings us to Genies Therapeutics. How does your product differ from all of those others in the market? What made you decide we are going to do things differently? The Genie’s Therapeutics Difference Research science, and I couldn't find we couldn't find a product that met all our needs. Again, most of the companies in the CBD industry are in it for the right reasons. They want to improve the quality of life for dogs. But I couldn't find a product that really met our needs. With a long chain triglycerides, LCT carrier oil, and really CBD, CBDA and USDA organic certification. I couldn't find out that out there. So that really was what makes us different. So often you see with products that do have CBD or other have cannabinoids in it, they'll say something, what's on the bottle. But it's really hard to distinguish what. I couldn't even understand there's products out there that are excellent products that have great efficacy, but you have no idea what's in the bottle. And that bothered me. How is a pet parent supposed to understand how are they supposed to pick the right product. So that got me fired up. That got us excited about putting a product that people can understand what's exactly inside. And the other thing is we use, we use CBD, we use CBDA and we use CBG in our hemp signature blend. And what's interesting there is often when you see a product of multiple cannabinoids, such as ours, they'll use one full spectrum extract and they’ll use isolates for the other cannabinoids to add in there. And that really limits that entourage effect that potential for all those cannabinoids working together. We use three full spectrum extracts and we combine them together to get that cannabinoid content and I just haven't seen anything like that available in the marketplace and I still don’t. Yep. Well as we are wrapping up, there are other things that make you guys stand out. I know you've got a concierge program that is free, so that anybody that's interested can speak with a certified veterinary cannabis counselor. If you have any questions or concerns, I know you have an amazing advanced dosing calculator that makes things so easy to customize the dosing for your own dog, which is really cool. You have a 30 day money back guarantee. And I just have to highlight again, there are not many companies that have that USDA organic certification. So you guys stand out for so many reasons. And can you briefly tell us about Genie’s Dream? Oh, thank you, Krista. I really appreciate that. Especially Genie’s Dream. Genie’s Dream is our 501 C 3 nonprofit arm of Genie’s Therapeutics. And we're in this to improve the quality of life for dogs. You know, as we say, our goal is to improve the quality of life for every canine, one dog at a time. And there is nothing better than this. Our nonprofit organization that we give 1% of all our revenue, from Gene’s Therapeutics to Genie’s Dream. To help all types of canine wellness causes. Specifically, one cause that we're really trying to tackle is economic euthanasia. And we've done such a great job of tackling euthanasia in shelters in the last 20-25 years, we've lowered the incidence rate. But at that same time, the incidence rates of economic euthanasia, which is when you have to euthanize your pet, because you can't potentially afford the veterinary costs needed to improve the health of your pet. That has gone up 10-15% every year. And really, I don't see any, I don't see that stopping anytime in the future. That's a really important issue. And we want to tackle that. So we're not just in this for the money. We're not just in this just to sell a product, we really do want to improve the quality of life for dogs. And Genie’s Dream gives us an opportunity to do that, and really look forward as Genie’s Therapeutics expands. And as we grow, we really look forward to making Genie’s Dream a big deal, and putting more resources in there and tackling other causes. We also have a first responders program, which is, but there's so many. During this time, right now, during the last couple of years especially, first responders have been under so much stress, and they've been away from home, and this transfers over to their dogs. Their dogs become stressed. So we have a first responders program where we help them, we provide them our hemp signature blend, and we help guide them through the process of how to dose their dog and how to pay attention for therapeutic benefits. So we are in this for the right reasons. We want to make dog's lives better, we want to make humans lives better, and Genies Dream gives us an opportunity to do that. Wow, thank you for giving back. That's amazing. And hopefully our listeners have that we've piqued their interest that this is a special and standalone product. Offer And Alex and his team are going to make an amazing offer to our listeners. They're offering free shipping, which is a savings of just under $10 right there. So go to genies therapeutics.com. And that link, and all of the links on how to get to genies is going to be in the show notes. Go to https://www.geniestherapeutics.com/ and use the coupon code WOL at checkout for your free shipping. And I highly encourage you to try out this amazing product. So Alex, I just wanted to thank you for being on the show and sharing this information. I know that we have to have you on again, because as we mentioned, the science is constantly changing. So I just want to thank you for your passion and love for wanting to do better for our dogs. Social Media URLs or Tags Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/geniestherapeutics/ Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/geniestherapeutics LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/company/geniestherapeutics website URL - https://geniestherapeutics.com Oh, thank you so much, Krista. That means so much to me. And I want to thank you for all the attention that you bring to canine wellness causes and you have over the last couple years and we pay attention. You do excellent podcasts and thank you so much for bringing these important issues to light. Well, we appreciate you. Thank you, Alex. Bye bye. Thank you. Thanks again to our friends at System Saver for sponsoring this month’s episodes . Check out this fantastic all-natural formula by going to http://caninesystemsaver.com/ and be sure to use the code WOL10 for 10% off! Thanks for listening. You'll find some helpful links in the show notes and if you enjoy the show, please be sure to follow and listen for free on your favorite podcast app. And please, please share your feedback. Visit WagOutLoud.com for great product recommendations with discounts, amazing online events and fantastic resources. That's also where to visit our Bark About It page where you can suggest topics, guests or products. Be advised that this show offers health and nutritional information and is designed for educational purposes only. You're encouraged to do your own research and should not rely on this information as a substitute for nor does it replace professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. If you have any concerns or questions about your dog's health, you should always consult a veterinarian or a nutrition expert. Have a tail wagging day and we'll catch you next time. Hey Winston was that another tail wagging episode?
Hi there this is Krista with Episode #146 on the Wag Out Loud pawdcast. Here are some tips on feeding fruit to your dog. So feeding your dog fruit is great, and you can either add it to their meal or as a snack. But please remember to only give fruit in very small quantities and try to rotate the fruits that you give. Too much and the natural sugar content will be too high and your dog's body just isn't designed to process that much sugar, natural or not. Fruit is rich in essential minerals and vitamins, including potassium and beta carotene. Of course fruit is high in fiber, low in fat, and fruit is a great source of natural antioxidants and phytochemicals needed for your dog's overall health. Just remember to avoid giving seeds, skins or rinds as these are the sections of the fruit that are likely to contain toxins for your dog. They can be given whole sliced, juiced and mixed with vegetables, or as an ice cube or a frozen treat. Winston enjoys getting a slice of banana, apple, melon, or a couple of blueberries. Delicious! Welcome to the Wag Out Loud pawdcast, where we are obsessed with bringing you helpful tips on canine health care, nutrition, and overall wellbeing. If you'd like to support the show, check out the amazing online events, products and resources that I personally recommend on the Wag Out Loud website. I'm your host, Krista and I'm super excited to be bringing you yet another tail wagging episode. We believe in the power of a joyful life and home! Get Joy Founder ,Tom Arrix is building a company with purpose. Get Joy is a DTC lifestyle company that sits adjacent to where people live their lives. Every product Get Joy Creates is designed to impact the overall wellness of the animal. He built Facebook’s first $1billion business and applied all his social street cred to Get Joy’s mission to transform the fresh food segment. Hello dog lovers! We are so glad that you've joined us for another informative Wag Out Loud pawdcast episode. And today I am joined by Tom Arrix. He's the founder of Get jJy. Tom, thank you so much for being on the Show. I know that we've had this on the calendar for quite some time. And it's finally here. Yay! I know. I'm so excited. It's been like six months in the making. So I'm so thrilled. Oh my gosh, this is gonna be great. So I would love it if you would please introduce yourself and tell us why you went from being a big wig at Facebook, to starting a company in the dog food space? Absolutely. Well, first and foremost, thank you for being so kind to have me and represent Get Joy on your podcast. So super thrilled to be here. I never thought in a million years that I’d ever be in this in the dog food/pet space. So I'll start right there. I spent a career in digital digital tech, spent seven years in the early days of Facebook 2006 to 2013 and was a part of this collaborative building of really a wonderful business in a really kind of a whole new segment of marketing. And one of the things I loved about that which translates to what I'm doing today is everything we did and thought about both internally and externally with big brands was all about community and all about collaboration all about, about innovation and not doing things the the old way, the legacy driven way. So fast forward, I left Facebook in 2013 and found myself doing more advising for early stage companies did some investing behind some of those companies I was involved in. And all along since I was a kid. I've always been a really, really big lover of animals and dogs in particular. I grew up in Connecticut. My mom and dad always had, we were a big black lab family. And we always had dogs from the first day I can remember. So now I have family of four, four kids, three in college, one freshman in high school. We have two dogs, my awesome wife Kathy. And I try to keep keep things calm. But it's these two creatures that really, that really make everybody smile. I think that's something that resonates with every you know, 65 plus million households in the United States. So when, sadly three years ago, almost to the almost to like the day the window. Our first dog Cooper came down with lymphoma. So after we heard the news, obviously it's pretty. It's a pretty stressing moment for any person who finds out that their animal is not well and like most, you try to do everything in your power to make to make things better to try and find a solution. So I went to Cornell, which is in Stamford, Connecticut, a few towns away. It has some wonderful service in an education from Dr. Lindsay Thalheim, who's an advisor for the company. Lindsay was wonderful because she actually referred me to a holistic oncologist in Red Bank, New Jersey, Dr. Kendra Pope. Oh, know her well. She's been on the Show. And she's an advisor for Get Joy. So I have two wonderful friends now, who were part of the early early stages of, of kind of the idea around Get Joy. So Kendra, after in our meeting, I'll never forget it, I brought our dog Cooper down to Red Bank. And for the first time, and I've been brought him to vets, you know, numerous times over the years, he's always stressed. And you could tell, It's just not a great environment. But for whatever reason, we walked into Kendra's office. And it was the sense of calm is was almost like going to a spa that was just a very calming environment. And Kendra spent probably about 45 minutes with us. And talking about everything from how I eat, how I live my life, and what's important to me from a nutrition standpoint. And then we started talking an awful lot about Cooper. And she basically said, kind of squared the conversation and she said, you know, you just said, you eat really well, Tom and your wife's a wonderful cook, which she is going forward, make sure you feed whatever you're going to have for dinner tonight and feed that to Cooper, and every single meal until you get your prescription. Feed that meal to Cooper. And I said, Okay, we can do that, she goes well, and let me square this even more. If you were ill, God forbid, and you went home and ate highly processed foods, like you had been doing your entire life, you don't have a chance to get healthy. So the whole notion of food is the medicine is really really resonates to me, really the first time in my life. And I felt that this is a this was kind of the crossing the passion and crossing of community, which I knew so well, because I built helped build something really fabulous at Facebook, you know, to have an opportunity to stitch those two together, really was the the early kind of building blocks of Get Joy. So that was that was really why I moved away from advising startups and put all my energy into, into building something that I felt was going to affect the lives of animals and have a sense of purpose. That was way more than just building a product and way more than just kind of being in business. And it was all about education and awareness. And that's kind of how we how we put a stake in the ground in early 2019. And that's something that we believe in every single day was inside the company. So here we are. Well, thank you for sharing that. That's it's an amazing story. And is Cooper still with us? Unfortunately, we lost Cooper about a year and a half ago. So we got in an extra we got over an extra year. The one piece in it that I thought was really fascinating and gave me such confidence to to really surge ahead. When we started feeding him fresh foods, simple foods, like broccoli and cauliflower. And a lot of the ingredients that we think about in our recipes today. His energy, the coat, just his whole sense of who he was as a dog came back almost immediately. So I felt so good about the fact that we gave him great nutrition, and gave him a chance to be around our family for a whole bunch of more months. And, and, you know, it's unfortunate to see him to have seen him go but you know, a lot of a lot of what we think about certainly what I think about is we're doing it for Cooper, we're doing it for every dog, you know, on the planet, hopefully someday. Right. Well, he was here to teach you something, obviously. So I love that you have a legacy for Cooper. Well, we're going to talk about the future of fresh nutrition. And I think you'll agree that now more than ever, dog parents are expecting more transparency around the pet food ingredients. And as you said, we are looking at better and cleaner food for ourselves. So it just makes sense that we do it for our dogs as well. And you know, you see more and more pet food recalls. So what trends do you see happening now or that are on the horizon as far as pet food? I think there's a great lens of fresh that's opening up for everybody. And I think about this Krista very similar to farm to table, back, let's say it was 20 years ago when it really started to accelerate. People learn on their own people, not everybody moves at the same time. And once a person, and in this case, a dog owner understands the importance of fresh nutrition for themselves, but really can understand the the benefit for their animal, it starts to resonate, and I and I see this lens opening up, more and more owners are thinking about how they can bring great nutrition to their animal as often as possible. Not everybody has the same economic kind of benchmarks. But I believe that fresh is something that that is that is really becoming prevalent throughout every home. And I think as time goes by, and education continues, as simplicity kind of owns the day, I believe more and more owners will be feeding their animals, just wonderful foods that are great for them, versus the kind of a legacy nutritional approach that has been with us for decades and decades. If you can afford it, there's it just, it makes too much sense to say, the importance of eating fresh versus processed food. Right, even for ourselves. 100% Yep, I totally agree. Well, I read this interesting stat, that all natural pet foods accounted for 9% of the global market in 2020. And with the number of pet food launches, increasing by 41%, between 2016 and 2020. So that blows my mind and tells me that there are people there are companies that want to do better, you know, all we've known is dry, processed kibble that you and I both know, do not bring nutritional balance to a dog, especially a species that has no need for carbohydrates, yet, they're being fed, in my mind cereal twice a day, every day for their entire life. Right. So I'm so glad that you've seen this call for better nutrition for our dogs, and more people are getting savvy, and realizing that kibble is not healthy that we are feeding a bowl of inflammation every day. And we're looking for fresh whole alternatives. So in your mind, with more and more people getting the education on fresh food, do you think they're willing to pay more for a better dog food? You know, I remember there's two companies that really come to mind when whenever economics comes into play or, or becomes a, a decision that someone has to make as it relates to kibble versus a shift to fresh. I remember Whole Foods when they came out a number of years ago, it was always deemed as very, very expensive market. And yes, it had way appreciably better ingredients and products inside the market versus kind of legacy grocery stores. Over time, and now obviously Whole Foods is a part of Amazon. But over time, the economics just kind of went away, the hurdles went away. And it wasn't about this huge disparity in cost. Starbucks has a very, very similar dynamic, it's more expensive coffee, but there's an experience. And some that further loved that coffee, even if it's going to cost them four or $5. And maybe up to a couple of dollars more than the coffee shop down the street. I think the same dynamic is happening in our space. I think the economics will start to dissipate and not be a reason for a family to shift from processed foods that are filled with garbage, as you said, Krista, into healthier foods that are that are going to drive all these wonderful aspects of health and wellness for your animal. I think it's going to become a lot more of a level playing field. I think innovation as we think about products, say like freeze dried raw. They're not terribly cheap today, but I think over time, I think they the economics will work in favor of of more of a of the market. That day is going to come it just may not be here today. But I think the constant education, the constant sense of Figuring out how fresh just start just start getting into fresh however you can. And if it's just a mixing into kibble, it's better than just kibble. And I think over time, if people can just commit to starting and starting how they can have they can either afford as a household or how they can, you know, not be you not have this disrupt their flow of how they run their home. I think it's just important to start, there's nothing wrong with starting and in addition to taking that first step, will eventually lead to a few more steps that the beneficiary is this awesome creature that doesn't have a voice. Well, Tom, we are going to take a quick commercial break and we will be right back. Let's take a minute to talk about the latest innovation from our friends at Get Joy. If you're a regular listener, then you already know about the importance of our dog's gut health, and Get Joy's new fresh freeze dried meals are changing the game currently available in beef with a chicken recipe coming soon. Their fresh freeze dried has all of the nutrition of feeding raw, but in an easy to store dry form. It was independently tested among its competitors and was shown to be easier to digest, which leads to improved gut and overall health for the dogs that we love. Have your dog begging for more by ordering at GetJoy.com and save money by using the code WAGOUTLOUD55 for 55% off your first two orders of fresh freeze dried. Also check out Get Joy's vet designed fresh cooked meals, natural treats and chews that make feeding and treating your pups so easy. One stop shopping has never been so convenient, and nutritious! And we are back with Tom Arrix from Get jJy. And we are having a great discussion about the future of fresh nutrition. So we talked about cost. And I agree with you, Tom, that people are realizing it's through education, that they're realizing that fresh food is good for them, and good for their dog, which is exciting for me. As far as the trends of the future, you know, novel proteins going away from the big box stores. Of course, now that we know about the good bacteria and the microbiome, I think a lot of companies are looking at better digestibility of their foods. What do you think about all this as far as what to look at? What are the consumers demanding? Right? I mean, first and foremost, it's so encouraging and inspiring to see all these amazing innovations that are happening. And you know, three years ago, they were barely happening now they're really accelerated. So I think it's amazing. And it's so great. Because it will help the our animals help our dogs live a healthier, better, better life is which is all all we collectively want. And I think as we can think of as foods evolve, say as you mentioned, digestion, microbiome, the more that we can help a say a dog's gut. And what I didn't realize until about a year and a half ago, was a dog's gut is identical to a human’s gut. And when people, myself included, started to think more about how do you treat your gut and have a great digestion and make sure that you have pre and probiotics and are eating the right foods etc. You are like hitting on all cylinders. You feel great your energy levels as high as it could be. You're able to do the things you love in life, whether it be walks or hikes or, or sit on a couch… whatever it might be. And I think that dynamic as people think about their animal and and as innovation continues in our industry, and if we design products that are really truly great to help people learn about the importance of say gut health, and we have products that are there to drive that. That they get we're truly giving our dogs the best potential to live their best day and best life. And it's, you know, some of the three pillars of genetics, environment and nutrition. I think we'll find ourselves in this place as a society, a region, country, planet, that we're actually controlling at least the The most controllable part of the three pillars, which is nutrition. Mm hmm. I agree. I think that's amazing. I love it. It's exciting, isn't it? Well, Tom, with so many new pet food companies coming on the market, what should people look out for? When it comes to choosing a brand? Right. You know, it's a, I think it's great validations that are so many companies coming onto the market, I believe it's no different than if you were thinking about an apparel company or, or brand that you that you kind of have a connection to. I think it's about trust, I think it's about community. And I think it's about those two things, giving you the confidence that this new relationship that you have with this brand is going to give you and your you know, the end the end, beneficiary, your dog, the best chance for wellness, or whatever is important to you. I do believe from the from the fundamentals of trust, and community, there's nothing there's nothing more powerful than then a strong community that's looking out for each other that helping each other. I saw that as my Facebook, early Facebook days, it's still very true at orders of magnitude today around the world. And, and when communities trust, have trust, and there's transparency, and and you know that the products that are being designed, are grounded with purpose. I think that that is probably the most magical dynamic you can create. And it's like, I think that we're running a certain kind of race versus others. And it doesn't make others bad, bad opportunities. They're all wonderful. I think it's all there's a lot of dogs out there. There's a lot of homes. But I think if we can ground, how we explore these brands with, do I trust the brand? Is this a community that I can connect with? And feel good? And learn from? And be educated by? I think that's how people should think about it. And are the products amazing, that are their products truly groundbreaking and going to drive, whatever pillar is important to that customer or that person? Right? Good information. And as you said, you have advisors with Get jJy that are in the industry that are amazing at what they do. So we have to, you know, because we know that the dog food industry really is not regulated. So we have to ask the questions. Where do you source your ingredients? Where's your food made? So I love what you said about community and trust. It's huge. And so many people I've talked to think cooking at home for your dog, you know, I'm doing really good by my dog because I'm cooking chicken and rice. And I have to say is that it? Because they are missing out on a complete and balanced diet. And that's right. That's why I love what you guys are doing. Tom, I am an affiliate with Get Joy. I've researched the company, I believe in the company. And the products. And you are one stop shopping, which is fantastic. So you have fresh food delivered to your door. You have the freeze dried, and you have the natural Chews. Brilliant, right. I just love it. Yeah, we have raw coming out in the Spring, too. And every single thing we we are doing is a signal that we get from our community is something that helps us complete the whole wellness equation, that that goes back to our purpose. Like, we want to affect the lives of these animals who have no voice. And we're committed to it and we're going to block and tackle until until it happens. That's fantastic. Well, what I like to tell people, you know, I encourage everybody to look into fresh food for your dog, whether it is a cooked or a freeze dried or a raw much better than kibble for so many reasons. But what I mention to people you are going to pay a little bit more. But what it boils down to is literally you pay now or you pay later in veterinary bills. Because inevitably, a poor diet is going to mean that your dog is going to experience leaky gut or possibly being overweight diabetes, health issues. I mean we could go on and on. So it's so important to invest in our dog’s nutrition is now. We have a chance to actually, we haven't even really talked about prevention we have in kind of a roundabout way, everyone has a chance to actually prevent that illness and prevent issues with their animal, just like you and I would if we eat well, if we're eating really well, yes, we can have a cheat day here and there. But if we're eating really well, we're not going to the doctors, as often we're not taking antibiotics because we're constantly sick. But for not doing the things that are bad for our bodies, the same premises are with our animals. if we're taking care of them. And we're leaning into how how we're all supposed to eat going back 1000s and 1000s of years, it's fresh ingredients. And we're just in some way, we're trying to just democratize how people can buy and connect with fresh products that are good for their animals. We have, you know, people who are just lightly touching our products with, say, our freeze dried organ treats, which are unbelievable. And we have others that are being that are all in on all of our products. And I think just that first step forward is is really just the most important step, because it's you're going to drive wellness. And you're going to create prevention, and save money in, you know, with vet bills, as you mentioned. And I really do believe that that dogs will live longer if we take care of them. The way we take care of our kids. People say oh, the dog is like my kid, that dog is your kid, it is your kid. So feed your child, you know, as well as you feed yourself. I agree. Feed them like their life depends on it. Well, Tom, as we are wrapping up, could you tell us what is the difference between a freeze dried and air dried and a dehydrated dog food? Right. So we have a freeze dried raw product. That is basically raw ingredients are cooked below freezing. It may not make sense for people but we're basically taking the moisture out of the raw ingredients and then making it in a dry form. So it's shelf stable. Our product that we created, actually was designed specifically to drive gut health/digestion. And they called gluttonous starch, which is just energy. So having, like sustainable energy throughout the day, and using pre and probiotics in the freeze dried raw product that are wonderful for your dog’s digestion, air dried just is this as a lighter weight process. I think it's a less a little less expensive. I think freeze drying is definitely a more involved process. But I think the end result of freeze drying is you lose maybe a point to, maybe three points of the nutritional percentage load. So in its current state of say 100% your products for the most part, I know ours is is 97%. intact, nutritionally. Okay. So there's basically no cook off. There's no processing, there's no harmful approaches, cooking approaches that take nutrients out of the food, which is the goal. And since the moisture is taken out, do you recommend that when we do feed freeze dried that we add water? The way I use our products for our dogs, we have two Goldens, I usually put about a quarter inch to a half inch of water in the bowl, feed them their appropriate portion. And then serve it. They will. They'll drink the water and eat the food and I’m assured that they're getting appropriate hydration. You can let it sit. But I don't think you can. The way my two dogs devour the food. The bowls are dry very quickly, which means both the water and then that often food is being consumed. All right, cool. Well, as I mentioned, Get Joy all of your products can be delivered right to anyone's door. I was really impressed with the application that I filled out on my dog Winston, you guys asked so many questions to pretty much customize the perfect meal for Winston. and because of the pandemic I think one of the things that has come out of that is that more and more of us like the convenience of having things delivered to our door. We aren't going to the big box and grocery stores to purchase for our dogs And right Packaged Facts, expects that the E commerce channel is going to grab 27% of the US market by the end of this year. And reach 35% by 2024. So you guys are riding the wave, you are right in the middle of it. You know, we have expectations Amazon delivers every day to our door. So why not? Yeah, mine too. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's right. I guess. Krista you're 100% right. The trend is growing. It's not even a trend. The shift is on. People are educated people are super confident in their ability to to find a brand, a product that they they feel really confident about feeding their their animal, that product. that convenience. if COVID gave us anything it gave us a sense of conveniences that you can have unbelievable things delivered to your front door with no hassles whatsoever. That part is is absolutely a game changer. And everybody's is slightly different. You know, the way we approach it, we've got fresh meals, we got fresh, freeze dried, we have fresh freeze dried organ treats, we're gonna have broth. We've been toying around with CBD pet sprinkle. We have some wonderful partners, we we hope to be in places like organic, healthy health food markets. Like we're just testing. I love the fact that people are confident people are seeing that, you know, the importance of feeding fresh. And hopefully, you know that that that shift accelerates. Yes. Oh, we are out of time. So Tom, where can everyone find out more information about you and Get Joy? Awesome. We would love for you to follow us at on Instagram, Facebook @getjoyfood. You can find us our website is https://getjoyfood.com/ where you can learn all about what we do, how we do why we do it. And we'd love for you to join our community and join our journey of wellness for for dogs everywhere. Your Social Media URLs or Tags Instagram: @getjoyfood Facebook: @getjoyfood LinkedIn: @getjoyfood Well, and for our listeners, because I am an affiliate I get to pass on the savings to you. So I encourage everyone to try out Get Joy. And for both their freeze dried and their fresh meals. Use the code WAGOUTLOUD40 to get 40% off your first two orders on either freeze dried or the fresh meals. That's an amazing deal. Gives you a chance to try it out. And your dog will really thank you. So yeah, we're thrilled. We'd love we'd love for you to try it and Thank you Krista. Well I appreciate you being here today. Thank you for all that you guys are doing. Keep doing what you're doing Tom and keep us posted. Thank you Krista. Great catching up. Thanks again to our dog loving friends at Get Joy. If you agree that your dog is an important member of the family, then why not order some fresh freeze dried today and save 55% at getjoy.com by entering the code WAGOUTLOUD55 That's all in caps, no spaces, WAGOUTLOUD55 for 55% off your first two orders. Your dog will thank you! Thanks for listening. You'll find some helpful links in the show notes and if you enjoy the show, please be sure to follow and listen for free on your favorite podcast app. And please, please share your feedback. Visit WagOutLoud.com for great product recommendations with discounts, amazing online events and fantastic resources. That's also where to visit our Bark About It page where you can suggest topics, guests or products. Be advised that this show offers health and nutritional information and is designed for educational purposes only. You're encouraged to do your own research and should not rely on this information as a substitute for nor does it replace professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. If you have any concerns or questions about your dog's health, you should always consult a veterinarian or a nutrition expert. Have a tail wagging day and we'll catch you next time. Hey Winston was that another tail wagging episode?
Hello This is Krista with Episode #145 on the Wag Out Loud pawdcast. Have you checked out all of the amazing partner products that I highly recommend? These are products that I have tried and can recommend to you that will help your dog to thrive. Just go to https://www.wagoutloud.com/ to check out the Partner Products section. And notice that I've negotiated discounts for most of the products, so why not see what can make a difference in your dog's life? Feeding your dog dry processed food like kibble is essentially like feeding your dog fast food. And here's why. Much like fast food for us humans. dry dog food can be filled with added chemicals, highly processed ingredients, and worse low grade ingredients. And again, just like fast foods for humans, this wreaks havoc on your dog's insides and even leads to things like leaky gut, achy feeling joints, bad breath, mushy poop, and even weight gain. Have you tried feeding your dog a fresh food diet? Welcome to the Wag Out Loud pawdcast, where we are obsessed with bringing you helpful tips on canine health care, nutrition, and overall wellbeing. If you'd like to support the show, check out the amazing online events, products and resources that I personally recommend on the Wag Out Loud website. I'm your host, Krista and I'm super excited to be bringing you yet another tail wagging episode. Chris Green started his journey with animals to be a voice for the voiceless. He has transitioned that to being not only a voice for the voices but shares others voices who are equally passionate about bringing only the best quality of life for our furry friends. He started this February 2014 and has rescued hundreds of furry friends, fostered, transported, organized adoption events, and handed pet food to low income pet parents every month. He does this in the honor and inspiration of Katana, who passed last year, and he wears her pawprint in his tattoo proudly to remind him of why he started this. Hi there dog lovers, and welcome to another episode of the Wag Out Loid pawdcast. Joining me today is Chris Green and he is here to chat with us about holistic alternatives for proteins in dog food. Chris, I am so thrilled that you're here with us today. Could you please introduce yourself and tell us why are you so passionate about canine nutrition? Thank you, Krista for having me. I mean, this is kind of like I was saying before we started recording. It's so weird to be sitting on this side of the microphone instead of on your side. So yeah, I'm Chris Green. I have been a podcaster since 2014. Of course, that transitioned a little bit over the years, went from being a podcaster to doing a weekly radio show. And in that transition of those, oh gosh, what are we looking at going on almost eight years now, I have grown a great passion when it comes to our pets, pretty much their nutritional values. And so Krista and I were talking about this way back when and by the time this is on, it's been almost a year since we discussed this opportunity for me being on your show. And, you know, the whole idea is that we have to evolve when it comes to nutrition. We started off with canned dog food, way back when in the 50s. And it would have the good companies that had real meat and real ingredients in its food. And that has spiraled downhill over the last multi decades to what we now see. And I think it's time we all start looking at alternatives to what are we going to put in our dog’s and even our cat’s food bowl. I agree. Well, Chris, do you agree that there will be a shortage of traditional animal protein in the coming years? So you know, that's an interesting question. So with what they've been saying there has been a great deal of groups, not only just in the US, but all around the world. And they've been discussing that there will be a shortage of different animals to actually be consumed. Or, you know, there's a very interesting concept that commercial farms will be shrunk down because cows in some case, what they claim, emit a lot of pollution. So when we think about it, if even commercial farms are reduced to only so much beef might be almost scarce, may not be a product that we'll be able to have, which is probably very strange to a lot of people. And then of course, you know, you look at the conventional dog food and cat food that we see right now. It's really not made with what we think it is. The wheat, the grains, all of those have been well rendered and adulterated and there are so many different things that have made the ingredients just absolutely insufficient for our dogs and cats on its own. And it's also changed their DNA and their allergy structures astronomically. So we're going to be seeing probably in like next 10 years, something that's going to have to change if cows are not going to be something that we're going to be able to use or have for dogs and cats, alternatives will have to suffice. Well, why do you think in addition to lowering the carbon footprint of factory farming that we are seeing today? Why do you think there's this rising interest in incorporating non traditional proteins into our companion animals diets? That's a good question, Krista. So with when you think about it, the number one allergy for dogs and cats is poultry. So chicken is the leading allergy for dogs. So for all of these listening, they're saying my dog has a lot of scratching, fur is coming off in areas, there’s this dandruffy look, that's dry skin that's coming off the dogs. And that is possibly some kind of fungus that could be growing underneath the skin. That's a lot of the reasons why dogs are always scratching at one spot or chewing on a spot is because underneath the skin is an allergy reaction. And a lot of it is based on poultry. So you're giving your dogs chicken or you're giving your cats a chicken, turkey or any kind of poultry in itself. And that's becoming an issue. So what do we do, we have to find an alternative protein and some dogs are so allergic and cats, for that matter allergic to all kinds of protein, all kinds of things, even environmental. So we need to find out how are we going to be able to supplement this? And where are we going to supplement it from? And that's where this conversation will now mutate into something very interesting. So that's kind of in a nutshell how I see it. I agree with you. But from the science that I have read about, it's when people feed the same protein every single day. It's not so much of an allergy as a food or protein intolerance. So if we rotate our pets’ proteins, they have a better chance, I think of not having those intolerances. And it's actually good to have a variety just like us, because dogs need certain amino acids in their diet and rotating the protein sources will give them that better nutrition of amino acids. And that's my opinion. I can't disagree with that. You're completely right. Okay. Well, I think other reasons why we're seeing more novel proteins in specifically dog food is you know, the, the humanization of our pets, you know, people are realizing we want to eat better, and they should eat better as well. Functional nutrition. You know, people are hiring nutritionists, and it's all about food as medicine and people are getting smarter. And to your point earlier, we talked about sustainability. And that is huge. And one of the main reasons we're going to be seeing different proteins offered. So before we get into the different proteins that we're going to be seeing on the market. I have to ask you first, do you think dogs are carnivores or omnivores? Good question. So they are actually omnivores. Dogs are omnivores and having a plant base included into their meat based diet is very vital to their growth and their life. Okay, so can they thrive on a vegan diet? No. Okay, I agree with you there. I'm not even I'm not even gonna give an another alternative of why this won’t work. No. Vegan diet is completely not possible for a dog. I know that there is a lot of studies out there that stipulate that it could work. There is just too much within a dog’s mechanical structure that would actually need to have that meat base. The beginning part is that dogs they come from the wolf family, and you never found any wolves in the wild with a salad. Now, when you would see a wolf or even a dog or a cat, when they hunt their prey, a lot of times they're going to hunt rabbit, when they're eating that rabbit right in that stomach is going to be a plant base. And that right there is why dogs explicitly are omnivores. And even cats. If you look at a cat, there is still some areas of a cat where there would cat that minute amount of thriving off of a little bit of a kind of a plant based diet, but very small compared to what you'd want to put in your dog's bowl. Right. I agree. Why do dogs need protein? Why is it such an important nutrient? Well, I mean, the easiest part is, I guess I can break it up into multiple different things. Why does a car need oil? Why does a house need plumbing, it's what makes it work. Without you would have a car that wouldn't run, you would have a house that would have outdoor plumbing, it would not be really functional, which may have worked, you know, decades ago. It doesn't work these days. Dogs actually need it for multiple different reasons. You know, when you think about it, that meat has just so many different vitamins, minerals and proteins within it, these different things are going to help with the longevity of life, the blood flow, that would help with the muscular continued growth and not deterioration. Same thing with cerebral growth. So you want to see that your dog is continuously processing at a high function. So with diet, that is the biggest part of every dog, if your dog is lethargic, and isn't able to really function well does not take good commands. Even has any kind of behavioral problems. These could stem very much from a nutritional deficiency also could be part of a thyroid issue as well. But if your dog has different issues when it comes to processing, simple commands, it very well could just from the nutritional side. So to the point nutrition and the right part of being able to eat the right stuff is what will get them to go. That's why I use the analogy of why does the car need oil? That's a good one. And specifically protein, as you mentioned, it helps build and repair muscle tissue. But it also helps with so many other important roles like managing hormones and enzymes, and helping to keep the immune system strong. We've talked about that on the Show repeatedly that over 80% of our immune system is in the gut. So protein is a vital nutrient that dogs need. And back to those amino acids. There are 10 amino acids that are essential for dogs and essential means that their body is unable to produce it or can't produce enough of it to support normal function. So they have to get it through diet or supplementation. So, that is one of the reasons why protein is so important, but not only protein but high quality, high biological valued protein, bioavailable protein. So before we get into the alternative protein sources, we are going to take a quick commercial break. We'll be right back. We are so grateful to the Original Mine Pet Platter for sponsoring this episode. 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And as a bonus, Wag Out Loud listeners can take advantage of a 10% discount by using the code WOL10 at checkout! Welcome back, everybody, we are speaking with Chris Green about holistic alternative protein sources. Chris, this is just amazing. And we've only scratched the surface. So let's get right into what are some other proteins that are either on the market now, or that we're going to see as alternatives to animal proteins that we're used to? Well, you know, this is the interesting part is that I feel like the next alternative that we're gonna see, and we're starting to see a little bit of it, but just in a very minute amount, that I think we're gonna start to see an insect based diet that's going to be taking over pet food. Now, of course, raw feeding is is definitely the desired choice I would have when it comes to diet. But as you mentioned in the first part, what's going to happen if proteins are not available or vastly, you know, going to go away. So when we think about it, you know, in the US, we don't really look at bugs as anything besides a nuisance. And in other parts of the world, this is something that is their thriving grace, you think it's ethnic, it's part of their life. You think of places like Asia, you think of Africa, even just down in Mexico, it greatly used South America. And the next part of it is going to be what is going to be cost efficient, eco efficient, and sustainable? And that's where this is going to be where insects are going to probably work out as a cheap alternative with a demand. And when you think there's about 130 countries out there with over 2000 different species of insects people are consuming. That's gonna be the the next big thing that we're seeing now, which is crickets. Yep. And the good thing about insects is they reproduce in great numbers. They have high nutritional quality with very low water and land needs. And I was surprised when I looked this up that crickets have more protein than beef. They have great omegas and they even have fiber. So that's amazing. All right, so we have insects. What else? Well, actually, I want to go back on to the cricket one, because that's the big one right here. So did you know that crickets are actually a crustacean? I did not. So for anybody who actually has a shellfish allergy, like I do, I can't eat anything. That's shellfish. So therefore, if anything, and you'll see this actually, in different restaurants where people are doing this at home, they're making breads with cricket powder, which what it is, is that it's ground up cricket, and they put it in their bread, which, for humans actually has a great deal of benefits, as you had mentioned with all of their vitamins, minerals, and nutrients. But if you actually have an allergy to shellfish, you can't eat it. Now, I could put this in my dog's food, but I could never eat it myself. Yeah, I never knew they were crustaceans. So that's interesting. And in case anybody is wondering, you know, how do you kill the crickets? Well, it's actually very humane, because they live about 80% of their natural life. And then they go into hibernation, and that's when they are harvested when they're in hibernation. So it's not cruel, but a great nutritional source. So that's a good one. What else do we have? I've been really kicking the rock around really mostly on the fact of insects because of what we would actually be able to gain with them. That's, that's been my biggest thing for the longest time now. And it was kind of funny, few years ago. Dr. Coger, had been on the original podcast multiple times. And she would always kind of laugh at me over this because when you think about it, like another interesting And I find this to be a very interesting bug the black soldier fly. Their Larva is just astounding on how much protein, vitamins and minerals they have. We have flesh flies. You have and this is a weird one. And I don't even know how they are able to harvest this. But and bear with this, I know this is gonna sound strange. But the lactating cockroach, the actual lactation is very hot, it's off the chart as a superfood. So it's really strange on all these interesting insects that are being farmed in very small little areas, and all over the world, not not just you know, in Europe, but in Canada as well. These are become big things. And in our country, I've noticed that the black soldier fly that has become this mega star of additional protein. And you think to yourself, why are these becoming a thing? And that was where you and I started discussing this going, Why is there such a want for bugs? And why is this such a thing? Why are people wanting to actually farm. But when you think about it, one corporate office, you know, you think about a big city, you think about those days 30-40 story buildings, one just floor can have a farm that's going to literally feed 1000s and 1000s of humans, and think about how many dogs or cats that would be able to actually feed. So it's just astounding, and the water that they take for to actually work a farm of an insect farm does not take much at all. When you think about a regular farm takes up a lot of space, takes up a lot of water puts in a lot of different things into the ground. It does have the questionable is this sustainable and economical? And even big pet food is starting to look at this, which that alone scares me. Because I don't want to see them do that. Because if you cook it, like they do everything else and they render it. How much is there going to be of those mega high vitamins, minerals, and protein? How much is going to just go out the door by being super cooked? Yeah, good point. Well, in addition to insects, I know other alternative protein sources. I know yeast, that many pet food companies are looking at yeast because it does have a high source of protein. It has amino acids, the vitamins, the beta glucans. I recently did an interview with Bond Pet Foods. And they are actually coming up with a protein rich pet food without the slaughter. And it's amazing. They're using a fermentation process, just like beer or cheese making. And they're taking the DNA from one healthy chicken who's still alive and happy. And making this protein in a lab, which is identical to the original chicken protein. Another one is fungi. So Wild Earth is in California. And they are making dog food out of human grade Koji, which is a Asian protein member of the fungi Kingdom. It contains all 10 of the amino acids that are essential for dogs. And they also were using a fermentation process. So it's just amazing. You know, when we think about it, how we can save the planet and feed ourselves and our pets. You know, I was waiting, I was gonna see if you would actually bring it up because there was one other thought process as well. And it's more of a supplement. But it's also really good for our dogs, which is seaweed. Seaweed is really good and contains just so much nutrients that contain the proteins, the iron, the iodine, the magnesium, Omega three. And these are things that you just don't think about. I mean, obviously I live now in a landlocked state. So the word seaweed in this area is like we don't have an ocean, right? But there are seaweed farms out there that are just producing seaweed. I mean, it's a strange concept, But this is where we're going, we're going to see. And for me, I mean, I love the fact of coming up with things, you know, within labs and stuff like that. I also know that there's a lot of people out there that want to have that straight from the earth natural kind of thing, whether it's raised out of the womb of a calf and or cow to a calf, and then becomes, you know, beef, or it's some kind of plant based, rabbit, or whatever it is, people are going to still still want that earthy, real thing. And there is alternatives out there. Sometimes we have to do a lot of research, but there is a great deal that the earth is still making. And we're starting to realize it's good for us as humans, and really good for our pets. Absolutely. And I know Kangaroo is a sustainable protein, because in Australia, they are, you know, considered pests. They're everywhere. So there are companies using kangaroo meat, there's actually farm raised alligators that are being used in pet food. What are your thoughts on fish as a protein source? I mean, they’re so high and so many different vitamins, minerals, nutrients, but then again, you know, there's always going to be the question mark with fish. Because you have that, I want it I would love to not sound so hippie when I say it. But our oceans are contaminated and they are polluted. So we do have a lot of different areas. And that, that we have to kind of wonder about I mean, we we know as humans, there was mercury in some fish, and there was definitely some issues. But with a dog, or even a cat, you know, you think about how their stomachs are operating. And with those acids that they have, it does break it down a lot easier than you and I same thing is when you and I we could never induce anything that had salmonella, Listeria Ecoli , where a dog with a healthy immune system and a cat, they can. They're built for that the only way that they cannot, and there is no way that anybody can, can talk me off this one. If a dog or cat has a healthy stomach, they can induce it. The only way that they're ever going to be compromised any of the is if they have a compromised immune system. And that's the only way. Whenever I see these recalls for ecoli. Listeria, it just kind of makes me laugh because it's not for our dogs and cats. It's there. That recall. is for humans, saying that we're unable to just manage our own self, which is why raw feeding gets such a bad rap. It's not the dogs or cats. It's really just afraid that people can handle it. And I'll be honest, my daughter at the age of six was able to get our dog's food bowl. And we used raw food. She never once had listeria, Ecoli. she never had any of these because of proper hand washing and the right way of handling it and my dogs thrive. Yep, I agree. I'm a raw feeder as well. Well, Chris, as we are wrapping up, I think one of the protein sources that we have not mentioned, which I think has been toted the world's perfect protein, are eggs. Yeah, good for ourselves, great for our dogs. I mean, my dog loves raw, boiled, scrambled, fried, what have you. So don't forget about that everybody that eggs are a great protein source. And one more thing before we wrap up here. Do you agree, Chris, that senior dogs actually need more high quality protein, than you know what they ate in their younger years? Do you agree with that? I do. When you think about it, what do we do with our kids? We give them vitamins that are extra with calcium and different things so that their bones stay healthy, they're able to develop and the same thing goes as we get old, we end up taking some vitamins. So of course the nutrients, the vitamins, all that we're doing for older dogs is essential. So very much I very much agree that we need to be cognizant and aware that our senior dogs need more. Yep, I agree. Well, Chris, where can everyone find out more information about you? And Your radio show that you mentioned Pawsitive Variety Show? Well, that’s just it. So I do the Flea Circus every Friday right in mid Missouri. It's our local radio show that we do right here. Now all those episodes, I put them on the website that I created because as you know, Krista, I had a show called The Flea Circus is my current show, the Groomer Next Door. I'm so used to saying the Flea Circus, the Groomer Next Door podcast. So I put everything on Www.pawsitivevarietyshow.com. And that's pawsitive, as in PAW positive variety. show.com. And that's where you will be able to hear every episode. I hate to say it, but there's like 400 and something episodes all together over the years, I think 300 almost of the original over 100 of the new one. So yeah, there's a lot of content in there. And we've had everybody from Dr. Karen Becker and Rodney Habib to startup companies, and some of the most interesting people that you probably really love. And like the Two Crazy Cat Ladies before anybody knew they existed. So way, way back. Facebook (currently) @Pawsitivevarietyshow That is awesome. Well, I encourage everybody to check it out again, that Www.pawsitivevarietyshow.com. And I will put the link in the show notes as well. Chris, I am so excited that we finally had this interview. We've been talking about it for about a year now, as you mentioned. So we really appreciate your time. And it'll be interesting to see, you know what happens to protein sources here in the coming year to 10 years. I'm very excited to see where we go from here. Well, thank you for letting me be on your show. It's really cool to be on this side of the microphone. Thank you for letting me sit over here. Thank you for sharing, Chris, we appreciate you. Thank you. Thanks again to the team at The Original Mine Pet Platter for sponsoring this episode. Check out the ultimate mealware for all dog foods by going to https://minepetplatter.com/and be sure to use the code WOL10 for 10% off! Thanks for listening. 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I hope everyone's year is off to a fantastic start.!This is Krista with episode #144 on the Wag Out Loud pawdcast. Most of us know that chocolate is poisonous to dogs. But did you know that the type and color of chocolate that they eat is super important? Well, the rule of thumb is the darker and the more bitter, the more dangerous it is to our dogs. So take baking chocolate or gourmet dark chocolate. They contain significantly more theobromine, which is the chemical that is similar to caffeine, but it can't be metabolized by our dogs, so it puts them at risk for actual poisoning. So it's more dangerous than milk chocolate, and white chocolate hardly has any. So to put it in perspective, a healthy 50 pound dog could be poisoned by just one ounce of dark chocolate, but it would have to ingest nine ounces of milk chocolate to experience the same serious problems. If your dog displays any signs of poisoning, which could be vomiting, diarrhea, increased thirst, racing, heart rate, excessive urination, please take them to the vet immediately. Welcome to the Wag Out Loud pawdcast, where we are obsessed with bringing you helpful tips on canine health care, nutrition, and overall wellbeing. If you'd like to support the show, check out the amazing online events, products and resources that I personally recommend on the Wag Out Loud website. I'm your host, Krista and I'm super excited to be bringing you yet another tail wagging episode. Chrissy Joy is a 2021 International Trick Dog Champion, former National Stunt Dog Champion, has appeared on America's Got Talent, is a passionate canine studio trainer - avid hiker and vanlife! She is Dog Mom and Momager to The Joy Crew - canine celebrities as seen on Paramount Pictures, Chewy, LIONSGATE, and so much more. Well, hello dog lovers! Chrissy joy is our guest today and she has a few tricks up her sleeve. Chrissy, thanks so much for being with us today. I would love it if you could introduce yourself and tell us how you got into the world of trick training. Hi, everyone. So yes, thank you for that really warm welcome. My name is Chrissy Joy and I am a professional dog trainer. But my specialty is trick training. And that's kind of something that I'm really passionate about that has kind of immersed into my career as well. I currently own the International Trick Dog Champion. We won that award earlier this year. And we do all sorts of things for live shows, film, television, demos, workshops, things like that as well. So you could call me Dog Crazy. I think that's a pretty accurate title for me. And I would say that, you know, when I began training over at a facility called BFF Pet Services really, really wonderful facility. I wasn't sure what direction I wanted to go. And I just wanted to have a well behaved dog kind of like everybody's initial start with their dog and I have a rescue named Beasley. I just wanted to have, you know, just like a good obedience and don't jump on the counter and don’t jump on people, you know, that kind of thing. But I quickly learned about the world of dog training as far as trick training goes. And so it really opened doors to kind of, you know, work with your dog in a new way. That is very, very possible and very fun and easy, but also a great mental challenge for you and your dog. And that's something that I really enjoyed. It kind of opened up the doors for us to kind of have a bond that was a little bit different from you know, just your general leash, obedience based training. And so we really dove into trick training and now we do all sorts of crazy things with tricks. That is so cool. And what kind of dog is Beasley? Beasley is one of three of the Joy Crew and Beasley is a 60 pound mutt. We don't know exactly, but we think he’s a Collie, maybe some Shepherd, wicked smart, probably the smartest of the three and the work he does is is unparalleled. That's so cool. Well, Chrissy, you're here to talk to us about the benefits for physical and mental health for you and your dog when it comes to trick training. So if it's okay with you, I was going to start with just naming a benefit. And then I would love for you to unpack each one for us, if you could do that. Sure. So I would say one, one of the first benefits I think of for trick training for dogs that people aren't intending on doing live shows but I just want to try something new. Is it is very big for confidence building. So confidence building is is a big thing that we see in many dogs, especially dogs coming out of COVID. Puppies that are, you know, been adopted or through breeders, you know, and they didn’t get proper exposure. trick training allows a lot of confidence building, because what you're doing is you're asking your dog to work with different props, maybe interact with different props, things that make noises, you know, and you're kind of, you're giving the dog a chance to build confidence in an arena that's very positive based, so lots of treat rewards or toy rewards. And so that and also it includes you physically touching your dog, you know in different ways that that you don't typically do when you're walking in a heel in class, you're asking for their paw, you're asking him to spin in a circle, you're doing a rollover, you know, all these types of things, you're getting the dog to have more body awareness, and through physical tasks, which also makes them more confident when working with you. Because I know, I think we all know a dog where you try to touch their foot, they're like, nope, no, don’t touch me, right? No, I don't want to touch my foot. That means you’re gonna trim my nails, right. And so we desensitize a lot of that through different elements of trick training. That's a great point. Because, you know, of course, you can teach your dog tricks at home. But maybe you have a dog that's a little timid. And if you enroll them in a tricks class, I think that would be a confidence booster as well, because they're in a room with other dogs doing tricks, and might just gain confidence just by watching the other dogs, right? That's right. And honestly, being in a room full of other dogs is a great way to teach your dog to be comfortable around other dogs while still learning to focus on you. And still learning to focus on the task at hand. And sometimes obedience can be a little bit, it can just be a little bit overwhelming for a dog, whereas we start very ground level with tricks. We’ll say, you know, like, simple touching the nose to your hand and giving a treat, you really break it down so that the smallest thing that your dog can do for you will be rewarded. And it really helps them kind of learn how to thrive in a, in a stressful environment by doing something very simple and being rewarded for it. Whereas, you know, with obedience it’s sit, stay, heel, you know, these are big things we're asking for our dogs to be able to do in a busy environment. Whereas a nose touch, or a spin can be a lot more easy going on the dog to kind of interact with you and be close with you without the pressures of having to be in a perfect heel and things like that. Okay, well, what about trick training for developing patience? That's a great one. So impulse control is gigantic for trick training, you know, there's a lot of things that I do for that work as well, where we have a trick the dog needs to perform, but there may be elements to it, as far as it can't happen until something else happens, which we call a change behavior. So, for example, you know, in order for the dog to get the reward, they learn not only do they have to open the fridge, they have to get the drink out of the fridge. And your dog has to learn impulse control to do one before the other. But also there's there's elements of duration, you know, we ask our dogs to hold an item, you know, for an extended period of time. And that can be a great trick to hold the basket or hold, you know, a sign or whatever it may be. And so they have to learn duration, which is also an element of patience. And something that we always we I say as BFF because I do train through BFF. But something that I always instill upon any dog I train is that quiet feet, quiet mind. So you know, I want the dog to be able to, to not be tap dancing around and I want them to be quiet feet so we can have a quiet mind. So we can do this type of work that's going to require them to be patient, and to be focused. Yep. And you don't want them to get frustrated. So when you're talking about patience, I'm sure that there is a certain time limit, like you don't want to do this for hours and repetitively. And they're going to get frustrated, they're going to get bored, they're going to get tired. So what are your suggestions? As far as how long when you're teaching a brand new trick? That's a great question I get a lot of people always ask me, or say you must do an hours a day. And I'm like, Well, the truth of the matter is I really don't. I do like two 15 minute sessions, and then I do a lot of cardio for their exercise. That's their physical simulation and their mental is those 15 minute sessions. You know, I compare it to as if you had a big test, you know, coming up in a month. There's the people who are going to cram the night before and don't get me wrong. You may do okay on the day of the test. But if I asked you a year later, you probably can't remember any of that information. But if you did it in little bits and pieces, and you just absorb the information, a chapter at a time. Then when it came test time, you're going to retain a lot more when you need to do this, do this test or this exam and pass it and do a good job while not being stressed out, exhausted, you know, and now you're less likely to want to study for the next test because it was so stressful to cram the night before. You know what I mean? So I kind of relate it to that because I do very small session and there's tricks that we pick up right away. And there's, there's tricks that take me over a year to get correct. And so what I always say is very small sessions, break up that trick into many pieces, right, so don't try to just get the whole trick on the first day, unless it's something they can do easily like spin. But if you're doing something more complicated, break it down into many pieces, you may not have a good session, the first time just learning the first ways to do a trick. I always suggest, if you're not getting it at all, finish the session with something your dog does know how to do. So at least they end on a really positive note. And then always leave the session leaving the dog wanting more, don't burn them out. And then say, Okay, we're done. You know, always leave while the dog is still feeling good and has energy and is eager to work. I always go all done. Because then when I go to work next time, the dog. is like, I really want to do that again, right versus Oh, I don't want to do three hours of this exhausting thing that is too stressful for me. And I never got anything out of it where I felt confident. So, short and sweet. Have the right motivators, as far as treats, varieties of treats. I always feed a little less if I intend on training a lot one day because I don't want their stomach to be overwhelmed. You got to think about how much you put in during a training session as well. And so, yeah, that that's kind of my mantra is keep it short and sweet. Do it over a long period of time, break it down into small pieces and always end on a high note. Okay, well, you briefly mentioned earlier that trick training involves getting your dog not only physical exercise, but of course, they're doing a lot of mental exercise from doing tricks as well. What are your thoughts about that? Because we're giving treats. So people might think, how much is too much? What kind of treats should I give? Because we don't want to overload them with calories? Of course, I guess I'm, I'm asking a lot of questions in this. But why don't you just tell us about how trick training impacts physical and mental exercise? Of course, and I always say if you can I'm, I will proudly say I am very stingy. And people like oh, that sounds terrible. But actually, I'll take any treats that I'm going to give and I break it into a lot of pieces, right? Because it's not so much like, wow, I got a whole cookie for doing that. It's just about I got a reward, I got something telling me I did it right. So I break something down into lots of little pieces. Zukes even has low calorie treats, which are awesome. And then my higher value… because you always want to have a higher value. Because you don't want to train with the Cheerios, you want to train with the filet mignon. When you're in those more stressful environments. I use Rogue Pet Science, they have a great line of jerky that are like you could eat it practically. But besides the treat wise, what I like to do is focus on two different kinds of trick training. So I do the physical aspects where I use a lot of like fitness equipment, and teaching the dog to back their legs up on fitness equipment teaching them about proprioception, which is just a knowledge of their body. And so we do lots of stretches we do backing their feet up almost like doing a handstand, which my dogs do walking handstands, at least two of them do. But you want to make sure they're physically fit to do something like that. You don't just throw your dog into an action like that. Like you couldn't ask me today to go do a handstand, I would hurt myself, right? You have to you have to physically build them up to that. But by doing that you're actually teaching them tricks as well. You know, we do leg stretches, things like that. You can do bow or spin. Those are great stretches to offer. And so that helps them with that physical fitness aspect. And of course, if you want to count in frisbee or other things like agility running through a tunnel, if you want to call those things tricks, which in some element, they are considered tricks, that's a great outlet for your dog to have, you know their physical needs met. On the mental side, I love puzzle toys. That's the most independent play you could offer them as far as like putting a toy down that they have to work out the food for. I love doing breakfast in puzzle toys because it makes the dog think versus just eating out of a bowl. But also then there's there's there's higher elements like to the extreme sense Beasley plays memory. So if you flip the cards face down, he can match them as far as which ones which once he sees them, but on a smaller sense you can do what's called the Cup game or the Shell game where you put you know, one toy under one cup and there's three cups and you move the cups around and the dog has to remember or sniff out where that toy is or whatever. It's just a fun mental game for your dog. So there's these two elements that your dogs need. Some people say, Well, I run my dog five miles a day, but they’re still running around the house. Well, probably because his physical needs are being met. But mentally, he's not exhausted, he needs something else to do, he needs a job, right? And that's where you find if you don't satisfy them, even on the most simple level of a puzzle toy, they will create their own job which could create their own problem. True. Well, this is a good place for us to take a pause while we do a quick sponsor break, so we will be right back. SPONSOR AD Thanks to our friends at AnimalBiome for sponsoring today's episode. They are brilliant at applying science to improve your dog’s health. Did you know that 60-70% of your dog’s immune cells are located in the gut microbiome? And when their microbiome is out of balance, it can lead to inflammation associated with GI and skin issues. 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So how does trick training rein them in? Well, one thing that it does is that your dog has natural physical and mental needs to be satisfied by so you know, some dogs are from working minds. And while people love the look of Border Collies and how loyal and sweet they are, you know, they are working dogs that were bred to run miles day. So you need to be able to, you know, satisfy those needs in order for your dog to be in a situation where they can rest and relax and kind of be, you know, a wonderful dog at home. So understanding the type of dog you do have even before you choose to get one. And understanding what you're getting into is what's really going to help you kind of know, to what extent you're going to need to do this type of work. For example, my one dog Beasley is a mutt 60 pounds, I would say he's average activity level, he would sleep all day, if I let him. He loves to play, but he doesn't need much walk, one or two miles a day, he'd be fine. I have a border collie in the other room right now that I can hear throwing his toy around incessantly, because he must stay busy all day long. Only around nine or 10 o'clock at night, will he finally conk out. So you know right after this, we're going to go and do a lot of physical activity to kind of satisfy those needs to help him burn off that energy. And so so what I like to say is that if you can create that balance and every dog is different, you’ll really have a dog that's not going to pick up bad habits are not going to be bored enough to do that type of behavior, or for dealing with things like anxiety or crate anxiety, you may even lessen that, if you have them tired out where they are satisfied in those ways. And you'll actually find that your dog's habits or maybe barking or you know, excitability will actually calm down because a lot of those nerves can be good or bad. But that does come up from this pent up I need a job or you know, I need to burn out some energy. And so I actually had a recent person, friend call me and say, you know, my dog just jumps on us, won’t stop barking, you know, barking around the house at everything, you know, just getting into trouble everywhere. And she said, you know, and I do feel bad. I have a really I have a full time job. And so, you know, he has to be created most of the day. And I said, the first thing you could do is hire a dog walker, get somebody to come in the middle of the day, and walk your dog and give them some exercise because it’s manifesting in all these other things that you're starting to see. Not because the dog is sad, but because he simply just doesn't have an outlet. Right. Well, just from what you said, I would have to imagine that doing trick training pretty much would improve their overall obedience and their manners. Is that true? It does it creates a better communication line between you and your dog. You know I can with just, you know a hand gesture without even touching my dog, I can get my dog to like, move to the left or to the right or backup or, you know, like you and you work together, we do a lot of doggy dancing, as well. So that's where the dog actually works with you, and does a lot of moves. You know, weaving through your legs, jumping off your back, you know, like, you know, a little more showy things. But I have such a better communication line with my dogs doing trick training is opened up the doors to build that bond, on a one on one level, I'm not so much just telling my dog what to do as far as what you may see, and like, you know, sit, stay, come heel, you know, be good stay in this box, right? Because you think of obedience, like a box, sometimes like stay in this box, I need you to stay here and do these things. Trick training is a lot more creative outlets, and, you know, asking your dog to interact with things in different ways, with their paw, with their nose, maybe they're rolling, rolling a blanket around, around themselves, you're asking them to interact in different ways. And I think through having that one on one time with them, you learn a lot about their personality, for example, I can't give something soft and squishy to one dog, because he'll just puncture it and it'll be a mess. Whereas my other dog is very, very delicate with prop.s The other one's really bold. So I have all these understandings about their personalities that I may not have picked up on had I not tried to do some different things with my dogs. I'm blown away by this is just so simple, it sounds like but so much fun. And in the end, it sounds like the best reward of all in trick training, is that it just strengthens the bond between you and your dog. So can all dogs do trick training? Yeah, so that's the beauty of it is all dogs can do trick training. You know, there are dogs that I know, that are, you know, a handful of pounds that are doing the same trick that your fancy Border Collies are doing. And I love my work, I have two of them myself, but you know, there's a there's an element of well, I guess my dog has to be smart, you know, the smart breed or whatever they say. And that's not necessarily true any dog can do it can do all sorts of tricks. In fact, some tricks are even, you know, people cross over to do service, dog tasks you know, it's the same element, but the dog has a much more structured lifestyle, because it's to be a service dog. But a lot of those things can pass over picking up items, you know, opening doors, closing doors, things like that. And so that's the beauty of it is I always like to tell people, it's not just any dog, it's any age. So dogs with disabilities are doing trick training, there really is no limitation, you just may have limitations in what types of props your dog can work with. And that's a whole other discussion of figuring out, you know, is this the right size prop? Is it too big for my dog, you know, a lot of times we work on set for TV and film, they want our dogs to work with something like a prop, we always say, Well, let me see it first. Because you know, maybe it has to be a certain size or texture, you know, so the dog was able to finagle the door open or hold that shoe, you know, it can't be a heavy military boot, it has to be more like a loafer. So it's about understanding what works well for your dog to set them up for success. But I do love to say, and I hope I inspire everyone, when I do say is just try it. You know, just give it a shot, teach your dog something new, you may never have to use it. But it's fun to have. And it's something different. And it also is a great way to distract your dog. If they're overly stimulated by something, you can quickly bring them into your world and do a couple of tricks with them to kind of help reset them and bring them back to focusing on you. Right. Well, you mentioned setting them up for success with trick training. How do you recommend starting with, I would have to assume you start with a certain trick. And then you build from that trick, you don't just throw a complicated trick at them. You want to build up to that, is that right? That's right. And you know, when I start my sessions, I actually funny enough, I take a bunch of treats, and I just start tossing them around the floor. Just encouraging my dog to be happy to go chase the treat and just being interested in doing work with me. I rarely ever, like bring them into a room and make them sit and get them right to work. You know, I let them like kind of choose to work with me by tossing treats and keeping it real low stress. And they generally are like, Oh, this is fun. Okay, what's next? You know, and then I'll then I'll start to go from there. And yes, I do say if you are doing complicated tricks, like I said a little bit earlier, is break it down into very, very edible pieces. If I'm going to get my dog to open up a fridge door, the first day, I may just have them be touching their nose to the let's say dish towel that they're eventually going to pull. So I just have them touch it. No big deal. touch touch. We're good. Some dogs will leap right into it like Darby is gonna run up to it and he's going to yank on it. Well, that's even better if my dog but I'm just gonna keep it Real simple, and I’ll probably finish with them doing some tricks they know really well, to just kind of put the bow on the gift there and really like seal the deal. As far as it being like that was a great session, right? And I keep it that simple. Now there are some days where I'm like, Okay, we have to push it today. And it's gonna be hard. But I only do a few repetitions. And I always end, if I've got, I try to go for two to three, I'm getting two to three. Okay, we've moved forward a little bit action, like, Okay, I'm seeing a progression here. If I can get it two to three times, I'll stop immediately, I won't go for 5,6,7,8 times, I want to get a high rate of success. And then I'm going to stop early, because they are going to retain that. And the next time we come back to it. Yeah, they may forget a little bit, but they'll go right back to that as soon as they figure out when the reward’s happening and when it's not. Yep. And do you always use verbal cues as well as physical cues? That's great. So I do I, so there's three elements there. I do free shaping, where free shaping is where you really have the dog start to interact with something without you giving them any, any feedback, as far as, Hey, do this now. So like, for example, if there's a box on the floor, and I want the dog to go in a box, every time he sticks his nose in the box, I'm going to reward just if he randomly sticks his nose in the box, I'm going to reward it and then he'll and then I'll stop rewarding when he does that. And I bet you he's going to offer me more to say, Okay, why isn't that working anymore? What else do I have to do. And eventually, they'll put their paw in the box, right? And then you know, we reward from there. So I like free shaping, because I don't like to always just lire my dog like, Hey, here's the treat, follow it and do this. I think the dog thinks a lot less when you do stuff like that, he's not really thinking. It's just kind of like going on cruise control. And I really want the dog to be thinking. So it's a little bit more of an advanced approach, but it's what I like to do. But as far as the other ways, physical and verbal 100% I use both. But I try to separate how I do it. For example, I'll say, spin, and then I'll motion with the hand. So like, I try to put them on two different train tracks, pulling into the same station. So by doing spin, and then using my hand, I'm not doing it at the same time, which means at some point, I can do either or, and the dog should be able to know what it means. But if I always layer it together, then the dog doesn't see it as anything different. Right? So if I'm on set, I can't yell spin when the actress is talking. But I could use my hand motion, and he's gonna understand, you know, it's either A or B, it has the same has the same solution. How do you suggest that we learn because I know there's books on dog tricks? I know there's classes, there's probably courses, what do you suggest the best way to learn how to do fun tricks? Oh, it there's so many great outlets, I would say what I call kind of like the couch to 5K and I say that with a loving heart. Because I think it's a great program is the Do More With Your Dog program. I think it's the most at home friendly, really nice, attractive books that come out. Like there's one called 101 Dog Tricks on Amazon. But do more with your dog. It's great for people who have like, I've never done this before. And online, there's like super cool groups you can join. And people are always trying to help each other. And it's just a really nice little community. So I love that. Also, if you want to take any of my online trick based stuff, you can check out BFF Pet Services, and there's some online courses there. If you live in the Maryland area, we'd love to see you. But you can there's some great ones that on there as far as doing some more of the trickier tricks, I guess you could say. And then I say you know, just honestly, it's all about if I were to be brutally honest, is you know, get in get into a training facility so you can understand what it's like to when to when should you reward your dog and how does that work and your basic obedience class will be so useful to you. But it's a lot of trial and error. You know, I have to be very honest, when I taught tricks myself. Like when I taught tricks, I just trial and errored the entire way through, I had a guideline of what tricks I wanted to do. And then I just said, Okay, we're just gonna, we're just gonna see how this works. We're gonna figure it out together. Now not everyone can do that. That's fine. Definitely hook up to a positive reinforcement training facility that can help you. And a lot of those places do have trick classes. And it might be helpful to have that one on one experience with a trainer. A lot of it is trial and error. And before you know it, you start to learn how your dog learns, and a lot of the stuff you can start to do on your own. Great, great advice. Wow, I'm so excited. I Well, Winston used to be a therapy dog. So we went into assisted living places. And the people just loved watching him do tricks. And it forced me to teach him a new one before we went back, because of course, that's the first question, What trick can he do now? So that is right, so much fun. But I have to say, when Winston knows we're gonna do tricks, he'll do all of them back to back saying, Oh, which one does she want? I'm gonna do them all. Kind of funny. And so they and it's funny, dogs will start to kind of create their own movement they think is what you want. And if it's something you like, you can capture it, and then it becomes its own trick. So we've got a few things like my dog will sneeze, and then I'll reward and now it's, it's now it's a trick that he sneezes on command. I know. And so there's, there's all, there's all sorts of… your dog can also like help you you might go, I never thought of doing it that way. But I love that he does it that way. Like that's a much cooler way than I would have trained. And that's how he likes to do it. That's his style. And you can reward that. And that's kind of the fun part of trick training too, is that like, there's no limit. There's tricks that people have never done, but it's just because, you know, no one's thought of it yet. And so you see a lot of them and there's a film out if anybody wants to watch it. It's called Agent Toby Barks with my dog Beasley, he's a spy dog. He's the lead in the movie, the principal actor, and he does every single trick himself. There was no stunt double. There was no fake paws, nothing like that. So if you want to see a lot of tricks in a very creative cinematic sense, that's a really cool film to look at all the different props we worked with, in order to get the film done. How cool. Well, I will definitely put all these links in the show notes of everything that you mentioned. So as we are about to sign off here, Chrissy where can everyone find out more information about you? Yes, please. I'm very available on Instagram and Facebook and even Tik Tok? Yes, I'm there as well. You can follow @thechrissyjoy and also @thejoycrew. So @thejoycrew are all the dogs @thechrissyjoy is more of the training. And, you know, my personal adventures and things like that as well. We love to go hiking and backpacking. If anybody's into that as well, there’s tons of content that we do van life and things that we do every year. But we'd love to have you guys follow us and reach out and I’'m always available. And yeah, I hope I hope you guys enjoyed what I had to share today. But I always leave everyone with the note that I please I hope that you can always be inspired to do something more with your dog. And also, you know, take them on your adventures because it's just it's memories that will last a lifetime. Social Media URLs or Tags Instagram: @thechrissyjoy @thejoycrew Facebook: @thechrissyjoy @thejoycrew LinkedIn: ChrissyJoy website URL www.chrissyjoy.com I totally agree. Well, Chrissy, thank you so much. This has been so much fun. And I can't wait. You know, please tag both Chrissy and I @thechrissyjoy and @wagoutloud with any fun tricks that you teach your dog. We would love to see videos. So there's just so many benefits. And Chrissy thanks for being here today and sharing all of them. Yes, of course. And hopefully we'll be talking again and we can talk about more fun things to come. Sounds good. Thanks again to the team at AnimalBiome for sponsoring this episode. Learn more by going to animalbiome.com and be sure to use the discount code WOL-20 for 20% off. Your dog will thank you! Thanks for listening. 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I'm your host, Krista and I'm super excited to be bringing you yet another tail wagging episode. Growing up with a garden full of fresh food, getting an education in vet med and vet pathology, Dr. Suzee Camilleri combined her passions for understanding how food influences diseases in dogs. She helps dog parents navigate the very busy and confusing world of dog food and how to choose ones that help decrease chances of disease and live a longer life! Hello dog lovers! Thanks for tuning in to yet another awesome Wag Out Loud pawdcast episode. And today I am thrilled to have Dr. Suzee Camilleri on the Show and she's going to share Food to Fight Disease: a Vet Pathologist’s Perspective. So Dr. Suzee, thank you, first of all for being here today. Would you please introduce yourself and tell us why you've dedicated your life to the study of how food can be the best medicine, especially for our dogs? Thank you so much. I'm so excited to be here with you. Essentially, I went to vet school and I really liked pathology. I found it really interesting how diseases worked. So I went on to do a residency. And then I worked in academia with different animal models of human disease and worked with doctors and scientists to figure out how different diseases work. And essentially, through a lot of the animal research, there was very interesting findings in studies that were using different foods to test different parameters in animals. And I always found those studies really, really interesting. And just on a personal note, growing up, I grew up with a European family where he had a huge garden, we ate fresh vegetables, fresh food all the time. And as my parents got older, I could see a difference in how they were aging in terms of sticking with fresh foods. It really helped and I decided that food is our best medicine for protecting us from aging. And that's for us as well as our animals. So I shifted my career out of the lab into dog nutrition consulting, and helping pet parents navigate this crazy world of a billion dog foods that are out there. Well, thank you for doing what you do. Because I mean, you and I both know that the dog food landscape is literally the Wild West. And totally agree with not really having any regulations in place there. You know, people think oh, there must be an agency or organization that regulates dog food. Well, there isn't. So how do you suggest that we navigate this crazy world of pet food to find the best food for our dogs? That's the million dollar question. It's interesting, because there's different ways to go about it, depending on what your background and motivation, and how much time you have. So I find people who have had dogs that have had diseases where certain medicines and certain prescription diets have not worked, that they tend to really, really research, what foods are good and try to find out everything they can. But not everyone has the time to do that. Or the inclination, maybe their dog is on, you know, a generic kibble that they thought was okay. And the dog seems fine. But I think the most important thing is, educate yourself on it and question things, I think that's the biggest thing, because I think this whole, all of pet food is undergoing a huge disruption. Because humans, people have questioned where their own food is coming from. We've done a lot of digging, we found a lot of things we didn't like. And now we're doing the same with our pets’ food. And I think, talking to people, finding reputable people, reputable resources, you know, you can start with your vet. There's a lot of vets out there who are trying to make this better, and recommend better Whole Foods. And but remember, it's a system, right, these pet food companies have been around for so long. And I grew up thinking that feeding our dog kibble was just it's just what you did, because you know, 30 years ago, that's what everybody did. So I think having an open mind, really questioning, like when you go and buy some food, look at the ingredients. Do you understand it? Do you know where it's coming from? Do you know what it is? And then make decisions as best you can from that? Right. You know, it blows my mind. You talked about kibble. And I didn't know this before I got into this space, that kibble or dry dog food was originally designed as a short term option for dogs in the war overseas. You know, it was easy to store, it didn't need refrigeration. So it just blows my mind that it's even still around. Because before kibble even came on to the scene, you know, we were feeding fresh whole food table scraps, and then they had this marketing campaign. Oh, no, that's bad for your dog. No, don't give your dog people food. Right. Here we are, with, as you said, these billion dollar companies that I won't name names, but one is a candy manufacturer. Like, okay, do they have any business in the dog food space? Right, you know? So it blows my mind that this is where we are. But I think I agree with you that people are asking questions, and the word is getting out. And veterinarians are slowly thinking differently, because we know they don't have nutrition in vet school still, which, why? When I was in vet school, too, it was all we learned a little bit about toxic things like you know, obviously, if a dog, too much of anything is bad, mainly about like, vitamin deficiencies and vitamin overdoses, right? Because those things can happen in animals. But I think like when you think about the big picture in terms of food, and food science and nutrition, when I was in vet school, and I think the same is for human doctors, nutrition was always considered the soft science, right? There was not the science to back up that, let's say eating greens would help decrease cancer or something like that. Because and that's when about midway through my career, I'm like, why is that? Why did nutrition not grow like these other sciences, when it's stuff we put in our bodies every day, three or four times a day, five times a day, six times a day. And we really don't know how it works in our bodies. We assumed we did and we know what happens if there's too much or too little, but didn't really look at it. Specifically in terms of what you know, when you break down kale and it breaks down in the digestive tract. What happens to everything and you know, it was never really tested out. And so what I found out was that nutrition really didn't get off the ground like other sciences like chemistry or toxicology because you couldn't get people, for example, for a period of six months to eat the same thing. And you know, drink the same thing. Whereas in lab animals, you can control their environment, their food, the lighting. So it just, you know, was not practical, and you couldn't do it. And I thought, okay, fine, but then we do have animals so we can try it in animals. And, you know, we live in a society where I think using animals for research is a privilege. So let's make the most of the information we get. So why not? You know, when you're testing a drug or something, why can't you have a subset that's eating really well, and taking the drug and see what happens? Right. So then I looked further into it, and thought okay, how do you get funding for this? And that was the problem. Yeah. Where do you get money from the government, because, you know, a lot of basic, unbiased research is done at research centers in academia, where, you know, we don't have companies funding the studies to keep it, ”unbiased”, but there wasn't anywhere to go, I couldn't go somewhere and say, Okay, I want to study how greens in dogs’ diets influence their health over four or five years. They're like, okay, that's nice. Well go fund it yourself. Right? No one's gonna fund that. So I started researching, you know, like, Raw was coming out, all these other diets were coming out, and I'm trying to find research on it, and no one's going to fund that. So that has been a big problem with new foods coming out for pets. A lot of those studies aren't even supported for humans or funded for humans, let alone for dogs, right. Like, you know, the whole Mediterranean diet, how they found out, it was good that was done like, over a period of 20-30 years studying different populations in the Mediterranean and taking their blood and getting cooperation from different cardiologists like, these are huge, huge efforts. But then, again, when you think about pets, there's less pets, so it should be easier to figure this out. And I think it's changing. I think there's, there's more research coming out on looking at, you know, fresh whole foods, looking at the different types of foods, what is it doing to their blood, their urine, their plasma, and now we're at an advantage too where pets are living longer. And people are paying more to keep their aging pets. So it's a really good opportunity that we have in science to collect samples from these animals and analyze them and find out, you know, you change your dog's diet in their senior years, maybe they live four or five years longer, you know, depending on, you know what you're doing. So, the more I dug into it, the more I found it, okay, it's so complicated. I was naive, right? I was younger, newer in my profession, and just thinking, oh, yeah, let's do this. Well, it's not that easy. It boils down to money. And I think one thing you said that really resonated with me is the marketing. Right? When that dry dog food for the war, they're like, oh, wow, this works. Somebody just said, Well, it's cheaper. Right has a longer shelf life. Why don't we just market it? And they did. And look how long it lasted. Oh, yeah. It's got a big juicy steak on the front of the bag. So it must be good for my dog. Well, we could talk for days, of course on. Yeah, marketing ploys out there. But to your point, I agree. In both human medicine as well, as you know, we're talking dogs. So canine veterinary medicine, things are coming out. You know, just a few years ago, I never knew about the gut microbiome, and how that played such a huge role in our immune system. So that translates into dogs. Leaky Gut Syndrome. That could be the core reason for so many ailments in our dogs. Okay, then. To me, it's just easy to go back to well, why is this happening? Oh, well kibble. Most kibble is over 40% carbohydrates, and many people including me, before I got into this, I never knew that dogs have no nutritional requirement for carbohydrates. Yet we are feeding them an equivalent of Captain Crunch cereal every day, twice a day for the rest of their life. Is that nutritionally sound? No, no And that's why we have the diseases, including the cancer rates are going up. So I'm going to get off my soapbox. And why don't we start with in your opinion, because I know there's two different camps, are dogs omnivores, or carnivores? You know, that I, I'm confused still, because I try to keep up to date on the literature. I tried to sort out what's, you know, good science, what's not good science. I'm tending towards they’re… and I'm not trying to sit on the fence. They're not as carnivorous as cats are. That's one thing that's become evident. And part of the reason from what I understand is that when they were domesticated dogs just lived closer to humans than cats did. And interestingly, I think what’s coming out. And I say, think because I'm still reading some papers on different enzyme levels in that that dogs have throughout their digestive tract is that they were fed some carbs. And I think over time, people saw that they were okay with it, right? Like, if you gave a dog a piece of bread, nothing happened. So out of necessity and costs, probably they just threw grains in to the food and thought nothing major is happening to them. So over the years, most of society thought, yeah, it's okay. And I think what happened is that probably their digestive system, very mildly adapted to that, so that they were because remember, dogs, we're talking 1000s of years, right? That dogs have been around. So within that time, it is possible for their metabolism, or digestive enzymes to adapt. And so I think there was an adaptation, and nothing major happened. But then more and more as society progressed to where we are, what's cheaper to put into the foods, right? Much cheaper than the proteins, so they did adapt. Now, does it give them optimal health? I don't think so. Okay, I'm going to stop you there because that's a perfect place to take a pause. We are gonna take a quick commercial break and we will be right back. We are so grateful to Dr. Harvey’s for sponsoring this episode. 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And you had just talked about carnivore or omnivore and I like where you're coming from. It's hard to I think they lean towards carnivore. But they can easily digest carbohydrates, plant matter. And I think we should be feeding a little bit of veggie and fruit for the phytonutrients and antioxidants, you know a little bit. So, again, we could talk just about that forever. So Dr. Suzee, in your mind, let's get right to it. What is the best diet for most healthy adult dogs? From what I see, they need a good chunk of protein that's just plain and simple. Right? They are not wolves but they evolved from wolves. So they have a very similar carnivorous digestive tract. They were fed carbs throughout history. And I think people did that out of convenience and cost and perhaps over time their system adjusted a little bit to some carbs. And people saw that nothing bad happened to them. Right. And this was where probably the marketing came in. And people just, I'm saying people, let's say companies are making dog foods, added these things because they, you know, meet the requirements for certain vitamins and minerals that were in these carbohydrates, and they could, you know, get the whole standards up to par using those cheaper ingredients. But were they necessarily really better for the dog? And that's where there's no straight answer yet. But I think it's becoming clear that feeding them good quality proteins, and Yep, definitely adding some vegetables, fruits, for the antioxidants, for fiber. Yeah, sorry, I totally forgot about the fats. Yeah, good quality fats. Give them optimal health. And I think now where studies are coming out, and again, I mean, we've talked about this before, it's hard to dissect out a good study from a bad study. And me being in science for over 15 years looking at quality journals and papers, you have to know what you're reading, if you don't understand it, take it to somebody who might understand it better, because it's very difficult to read some of these papers and figure out what the true conclusion is. And that's why it's so confusing for pet parents, because they read so many different things. It does get confusing, but to answer your question, bottom line, good, whole, non processed, quality proteins, you know, whether it's chicken, beef, and then adding in, it's basically like, a good meat, dinner with some salad on the side, so to speak, and some fruit and some oil on top right. Like, that's really how they thrive. That's how they thrive. And I think the nutrients they're getting from those fresh quality non processed foods is what gives them longevity too. Yeah. So we're talking about using food as medicine. What diseases in your mind would help with food therapy? Or what could you possibly prevent by feeding a species appropriate fresh food diet? Right? I think the biggest one that comes to mind is obesity. Pet obesity is the number one cause of a lot of morbidity and mortality in dogs and cats. And definitely, it's a very similar theme. It's so interesting, isn't it that even in humans, the more processed foods you eat the things that give you the fast glucose rush, lead to obesity. And it's the same thing with animals, even though they're not exactly like us. There's similarities in how they digest and process food, that giving them all of that. It's not just even extra calories, it's extra bad calories that lead to these metabolic diseases. So when I say obesity, underlying that comes with it. diabetes, arthritis and heart issues, right? Because obesity itself is like, how would you describe it? It's like a cup full of disease, right? You have obesity, and then in it, there's a bunch of other diseases that it causes. So I think, you know, if you, you look at that there's that's four diseases, then I listed right obesity, heart disease, osteoarthritis, diabetes, that can be manipulated, by giving your dog fresh quality food. And that's where, you know, some people say, Oh, food’s not medicine, dogs can't live forever. No, they can't. Nobody can live forever, unfortunately. But you want to give them the best life and slow down the disease. Basically, by giving fresh food, you’re eliminating or slowing down four major diseases that vets deal with every day, obesity, osteoarthritis, heart disease and diabetes. And there are studies to show that feeding fresh food can decrease these and it's not like I said, it's not just even the calories if you overfeed your dog fresh food here and there. It's okay. They're not going to die. You know, just take them for a longer walk or throw the ball a bit longer. And I honestly think that's where you know the food is medicine mantra has come down is that we can slow down aging. We can slow down obesity. We can slow down diabetes by these foods because this is how their body was meant to be. And you're optimizing their enzymes, their metabolism with natural micro, macronutrients that their bodies already know how to do. And they work optimally with those ingredients. Right? Okay. So the next step would be to get off of dry processed food. And factory farming is the norm. So we have that, which the animals that are being farmed to be put into pet food, they're not healthy. So we've got that part. And then when we talk about vegetables and fruits, here in the States, we use glyphosate on any crop except for organic. So in your mind, is it better to feed factory farmed meats, with veggies that have been sprayed with this awful pesticide that has been proven to cause disease? Or I guess it's safe to say, in a perfect world, if your finances allow it? We should be feeding pasture raised, pasture finished meats, and organic fruits and vegetables? Is that what you think as well? In my ideal world, we would all be eating that. Absolutely. I think it's just a no brainer. I think there's there's research out there to back it up, especially, you know, with all of these chemicals that they're finding in pets’ urine and human urine, that all of these things are just we can't go on using these things. But again, you brought up the point about budget. Yeah, it is not in everybody's budget to do this. So what do you do? Right, you know, we’re all doing our best, and some fresh veggies. If they're not organic, they're still much better than giving them a kibble from highly processed food that has not an ounce of freshness in it. Those vitamins and minerals, they're going to get those vitamins and minerals, from the fresh food that you figure out is the best food for your dog. And I honestly think it's still better. The other thing is, you know, different fruits and vegetables have different amounts of pesticides that are absorbed. So I'm just using kale again, just as an example, because it's just coming to mind. But don't always give your dog kale, you know, give them a variety of vegetables. And, and I do look at that. So it's like the Dirty Dozen and the Clean 15, I can't remember what it's called. They're the lists that they put out for produce that has the most and the least amount of pesticides on them. And given the ones that are, you're able to feed dogs, give them to them, the benefits still outweigh all the other negatives that highly processed foods will do to them in the long term. And mostly, I think where the evidence points to is, again, longevity in these animals, they’ll live, you know, they're not necessarily going to be 100% free of cancer, they might get some osteoarthritis, because these are normal age related things that happen, but you can slow it down. So if you have somebody that has a multi dog household that doesn't have the budget, what would you recommend? Should they because we have to be careful if we say, Oh, well, I'm just going to create a diet for my dog, and 99.9% of the time, you're going to be missing out on essential nutrients. And that's why at least with kibble, you can say it's complete and balanced with those added synthetic vitamins and minerals. So would you use something like that as a base, and then add maybe some cooked or fresh meat and some veggies to the bowl? Or look for another base? You know, there's so many bases now of veggie mixes. I like Dr. Harvey's .I love Dr. Harvey's and just adding meat and oil. It's a complete meal. Right? What do you suggest? Because you're right studies have shown just three times a week adding leafy greens to a kibble diet. The chances of getting cancer for that dog are in the 90 percentile, less chance of getting cancer just by putting leafy greens into the kibble bowl three times a week. I totally agree. I think bare minimum, somebody with, you know, a very basic budget who just cannot make things stretch. The one because I've had clients who've asked this. So you can, you can look online, there's lists of vegetables that are good for dogs and ones that are not. And one thing you can do is, let's say all you can get is kibble. That's all you can afford. Hopefully you're buying frozen vegetables for you and your family. You can give your dogs frozen vegetables as snacks, or put them on top of the kibble. As an example, I don't know why my dogs like this, but I started I think when they were young, I buy frozen brussels sprouts because I really love brussels sprouts, and I like to have them when they're off season. And I give them like three or four little frozen brussels sprouts and they go off, they think it's like a bone and it's crunchy. You know, you can give frozen carrots or if you have fresh stuff, you can just cut it up and freeze it. And you know, bare minimum, make their snacks healthy, right? Like the the little in between their meals, make those healthy, and then add some to the bowl as well, because they're super low calorie, they're at least getting the vitamins, micronutrients and fiber in its natural form. And you're giving them more of a palette too so that if you do get to a point where you can buy fresher food, they're going to taste it and and like it. Right. Well, Dr. Susie, I can't believe this. We're coming to an end here. But what is your take on rotating proteins? Yeah, I totally recommend rotating proteins. It's, you know, having been in pathology, studying some immunology, like how the immune system works, you need the… dogs bodies need exposure to different proteins, so that the antibodies in their body get used to them. Because if you keep a dog on one protein, its whole life, then all of a sudden switch to lamb. It could be okay, if they have digestive issues, that could be okay. But they could also have a reaction to that later because they've never been exposed to it. It's very similar to how people expose babies to different foods when they're young, right? You give them a little bit, wait a week, see what happens, you know, if they have a big reaction, then obviously, they can't have strawberries or whatever the food is. Same thing. You know, with younger dogs, I tell people, you know, if you can give them two or three different proteins, see how they tolerate it. That way their immune system is getting used to it and is balanced so that as they age, they're used to that. Yeah, that makes sense. And I totally agree, because every protein source has its unique amino acid profile. So just like us, we should be eating a variety as well. So I totally agree with you there. Well, Dr. Susie, thank you for all of this great information. Where can everybody find out more about you and your practice? Well, thank you so much for having me. It's been a pleasure. My website is the best place to reach me. It's www.drsuzee.com . Your Social Media URLs or Tags Instagram: @drsuzee Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/drsuzee/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drsuzeecamilleri/ Okay, and all of this will be in the show notes. And Dr. Susie, you have clients all over the world, right? Pretty close to all over the world. Yeah, most are North American. But I do get a lot of calls from Europe because people are connecting now. And trying to connect with like minded people to find out what's the best for their dog. Well, I just think we're in a great place. changes are being made. New proteins are being developed without the slaughter. And I'm so excited to learn more about, you know, fungi, and insects are being introduced into food. There's just so many exciting things on the horizon. So I think changes are being made, which is really exciting. It is very exciting. And I'm looking forward to seeing what's what's going to happen. Yep. Well, thank you Dr. Suzee, for all you do. Appreciate you. Thanks so much. Take care. Again, thanks to the team at Dr. Harvey’s for sponsoring this episode. When you choose Dr. Harvey’s you and your dog benefit from over 30 years of research and experience. Keep your dog healthy and happy by checking out all of their amazing products at https://www.drharveys.com/ and don’t forget to get 10% off at checkout with code WOL10 Thanks for listening. 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Hello everyone, this is Krista with Episode #142 on the Wag Out Loud pawdcast. Because I'm going to be expanding my Wag Out Loud business with exciting things to come, I wanted to let you know that as of January 2022, I'm going to go from releasing weekly episodes to releasing bi monthly episodes. Putting the show on is super important to me, but to do it right, and all on my own, I've decided to bring you the same awesome guests and content, but just with a lesser frequency. And that's going to give me more time to work on other fantastic projects in the canine health and wellness space. So stay tuned for some exciting future announcements. Did you know that hotspots often occur in dogs with weakened immune systems? So once the skin is red and raw, it's primed for infection, which then creates a vicious cycle of itching, scratching and further trauma to the skin. What exactly is a hot spot? Well, it's an itchy, inflamed area of the skin that an affected dog obsessively scratches, licks and bites, which then creates an open sore. So treating hotspots involves not only healing the wound, but also finding and resolving the underlying cause to prevent reoccurrence. Welcome to the Wag Out Loud pawdcast, where we are obsessed with bringing you helpful tips on canine health care, nutrition, and overall wellbeing. If you'd like to support the show, check out the amazing online events, products and resources that I personally recommend on the Wag Out Loud website. I'm your host, Krista and I'm super excited to be bringing you yet another tail wagging episode. Jessica Shipman has been active in the pet industry as a blogger and influencer for 8+ years. She’s an All Pet Voices Co-Founder and BlogPaws Executive Team Member who is experienced in web development, content strategy, digital marketing, and project management. She’s passionate about making connections, bridging gaps, her dogs Luna and Ralph, and llamas. Chloe DiVita has a passion for pets and for business, and her dog Onyx. In 2009, she had the opportunity to combine those, when her mom and a couple of others started BlogPaws. Since that time, she has also co-founded All Pet Voices where her and Jessica create many forms of content for pets that educates, entertains, and inspires. Welcome dog lovers to yet another informative Wag Out Loud pawdcast episode. And today we have not one, but two experts on the show. We have Jessica Shipman and Chloe DiVita. And they are from All Pet Voices. And they're both going to be talking to us about Pet Health 5, a monthly dog wellness check. So you know, I'm all about wellness. So I'm excited to have this conversation. Ladies, thank you so much for being here. And I'm going to ask each of you to introduce yourselves and tell us why are you so passionate about canine health? Yeah, thank you, Krista. This is Chloe DiVita from All Pet Voices. And I've been in the pet industry now for goodness, since officially since 2009. But I actually had a dog blog that I started way back in 2006 that I kept up for a while that covered my Greyhound and her best friend that was a ferret. A lot of what I learned, you know, I feel like I kind of grew up in the online world and digital marketing. And it really brought, I think forward not only the passion for dogs and for pets in general, but also just for learning how to get more good quality information out there. So I love what you're doing Krista, with this podcast and I know Jessica and I both are super passionate about just making sure people know where to get good information, what good information is, and you know the options so that you can make the best educated decisions for the health of your dog. Absolutely. And I am Jessica Shipman. I am the other co founder of All Pet Voices. And I found my way into the pet industry when I adopted my first dog as an adult. I always grew up with dogs and cats. But right after college, I got my first dog accidentally signed up for Twitter saw that there is this whole digital community of pet lovers. You'll probably hear us mentioned BlogPaws. Chloe was one of the you know, initial team members there it is something that we are still continuing today. But that is kind of how we connected. I continued, you know, to grow my knowledge, and I grew up with dogs all the time, but it was very much you know, grocery store food treat things like that didn't even really realize until I had a dog of my own all the options that are out there. And I think that's something that Chloe and myself are a big proponent of is, you know, knowing the information, but also understanding that the right choice isn't the right choice for every person for every dog for every family. And so just knowing correct, you know, quality information is a big piece of it and that's one of the reasons why we started Pet Health 5, which I'm going to let Chloe talk a little bit about too. Yeah, I'm excited about this campaign that you ladies are starting. Yeah. And, you know, it comes from a passion we both have and things that we've seen out there, which is just sometimes, as pet parents, even though we want the best, and we want to provide the best, we don't always know the best. And that is broad, not just in food, but overall wellness. So nutrition is a piece of that for sure. But also just understanding like, the norms for your dog, just like any human who, you know, our rate, our temperature supposed to be 98.6, some of us run low, and some of us run high. And knowing that helps us know if we're off. And the same goes for our dogs. And so, you know, Jessica and I talk a lot about the health of our pets. Sure. We have a lot of discussions around what's going on with our dogs. Right, who's going to the vet this week? Oh, yes. So that it really kind of was born out of that is my dog in particular, I have a dog who has high blood pressure, atypical Addison's, IBD, a small intestinal disease. So many issues. And so staying on top of that, and just knowing when he's off a little bit is really important. So things like what his normal body temperature is, he actually runs low, he runs at 100.7. And most dogs are in the range of 101 to 102.5. But knowing that he runs low means that if I take his temp and I think he's off, and it's showing it like 102, that's high for him, it might be in the normal range. But for him, I know it's high. And that helps me gauge you know, how how to how I should I be taking action? Do I need to call the vet do I need to watch him actually keep a journal where I log things about what I see, so that if a trend emerges, I can go alright, something’s up. I need to call my vet. But I feel like as much as a lot of dog lovers want to have that, or would do that, if they knew they just don't aren't aware of what they should know. And what little signs might make a big difference for you to be able to act more quickly. Oh, my gosh, you have hit it on the head. And especially now that you know, through the pandemic, a lot of veterinarians were doing telemedicine, so the more that we can do at home and know our dogs and what seems out of line, you know, catching something early, it's being proactive, which I absolutely love. So, before we dissect the Pet Health 5, how is this campaign going to work? Yeah, Jessica, you start. All right, there's, there's aspects. Yeah, um, but the biggest component of it is that it is going to be a email signup. And so we're going to be sending out reminders monthly on the fifth of every month to remind you to do five things, and a bonus thing every month, that'll change. But five things the same five things every month, which we'll dissect in a little bit. And it's just that little nudge to, you know, get it done to take a few moments with your pet or multiple pets that you have? Sit down, examine them, be comfortable with them, have them be comfortable with you. But also I know, Krista, when we first met, one of the biggest things I felt like we bonded over was being an advocate for your dog, right? Like you are the one that knows your dogs the best. And so this is just going to help you get to know your dog even better. And just kind of a gentle reminder every month to you know, make sure you do it amongst all the other things that are busy in your life. Wow, what a great idea. And having us all on the same page, having the reminder, you know, it's just like we get reminders on the monthly breast exam. Okay, that's great. I, let's get it done. So you have five wellness checks in this monthly routine. And how long should this monthly check take each of us? So the idea is, that's why it's Pet Health 5. So on the fifth of the month, you're going to get your reminder email, we're hoping you take five minutes to just check these five things. And really, they should be fairly quick. they encompass doing a body scan, which you know, means looking at your dog from, you know, nose to tail, kind of taking a look to see if you see anything maybe like my dog just has warts. They're pretty harmless, but I just watch them and I know where they are and how many he has. So a new one pops up and go, Oh, there's another one. And it's just good to monitor those kinds of things. But also do a little bit of a feel, right? You want to feel your dog's body is there a new lump those kinds of things. You know, you want to check so, but it shouldn't take you more than you know, a minute or two to sort of take a look and feel over your dog and note down any thing that you you find or that you notice. So that's the first one, then you're also going to do a temperature check. You're going to check their weight, and you're going to check their teeth. So dental teeth, gum stuff, and then you're gonna check their heart rate. Most of this is observational, right? You're you're looking, you're just, obviously, you know how to take a dog temperature, although I will say, Krista, I don't know if you were at SuperZoo. But Jess and I were there and we met a company that is coming out with like, a, an under arm or under leg, I guess, thermometer to make it much easier. And it's, yeah, it's gonna be for consumers. But I don't think it's out yet. But it's coming. And we're really excited about that. Because, like having to put the thermometer in the back end… Yes, the usual spot. right, yeah, right. But you can honestly, my dog is so used to it, because we do this every month that he just gets a treat. And he sits there and he's fine, right. So it is one of those things that the more you do it, the more accustomed your dog gets to how you touch them and feel them, which can be another great training for when they are at the vet. And I think that's a big piece is that, you know, the goal is to be in that five minute timeframe, it might take a little bit longer the first time or two that you do it. But don't get discouraged, because you're going to become more comfortable, and your dog is going to become more comfortable. And then, you know, some of these things, they might sound pretty, you know, simple and things like that. But we're still going to provide you some tips on how to actually do them just like, you know, there may be some people out there that are like, Oh, how do I actually take a temperature of a dog if I've never done it before, you may not have experienced the back end. So we will also be providing some tips along the way, as well as creating some other great and you know, content health information for other questions that come up as well. Pure genius. Oh my gosh, you guys, well, we can all give five minutes a month, I think to enhance our dog's wellness. So we are going to take a break here shortly. But why don't we go over the first of the five wellness checks, and we talked about body scan. So I would assume we're talking, you know, just pay attention to their skin and coat. Is there dander? Are there fleas and ticks? Chloe, you mentioned lumps and bumps. could those be something? Could it just be an enlarged lymph node? And if that is the case, then obviously there's another underlying issue. Ears. I mean, I know ear infections smell awful. So just sniffing in your dog's ear and looking for inflammation. Eyes, are they clear? Are they gunky? Paws, spread your dog's paw because that's a common place for you know, allergy signs or sores. Make sure their nails are short, and I could go on and on just about this first one. Yeah, yep, and body scan. body scan is actually one even though we're going to be reminding you once a month to do it. I always like to recommend every time you're snuggling up with your dog just to you know, obviously you're petting them and you're ribbing them anyway so it's a great thing to do regularly even more so then once a month. But absolutely like I know my dog Ralph, he got into an incident with a neighboring dog and he actually has a scar on his nose and so I keep an eye on that to make sure that he you know, hasn't reopened it or done anything like that. Allergies, fleas and ticks, huge thing, especially depending on the area that you live in. Out here in Colorado, we are a little bit more fortunate that they're not as prominent, but back when I lived in Virginia, ticks were such a huge issue almost all the time. So definitely keep an eye on those. Love it. All right everybody. We are gonna take a quick commercial break and we will be back for your other for wellness checks… the tips that Chloe and Jessica are giving us so hold tight and we will be right back. Thanks to our sponsor of today’s episode, ABSC Organics, makers of the ABSC Pure Organic CBD Oil. This is the ONLY CBD oil for pets that has been tested safe and effective in multiple clinical trials with the highly- respected Colorado State University Veterinary Medical School. In a pretty much unregulated industry, you need to have trust in the CBD oil that you give to your four-legged family members. Produced in the United States, each batch is tested for purity and CBD concentration and has been clinically proven to be safe and non-toxic. These products have no psychoactive ingredients and ABSC Organics has many loyal customers, myself included, who use their CBD oil with their pets for years to relieve symptoms and improve quality of life. 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And we're in this is one of those places where we will give you in the email some information, right? So we're not just saying hey, check your heart rate, we're gonna explain how and we're gonna let you know like what you should be looking for. If you have a small breed if you have a large breed, because there is some differences. There can even be differences just breed, like breeds in general can have some differences. So we are going to provide, you know, information for you so you know where you're starting. But when it comes to heart rate, you know, the average rate, heart rate of a small dog is between 80 and 130 beats per minute. That's like a resting heart rate. Obviously, that will be one of the key things is you want to make sure you're doing this when your pet has been rested and not like after you just went for a half hour run. Right? So you know, that's that's definitely an aspect. But you know, if you're talking about a large dog, the average heart rate is between 60 and 100 beats per minute. So you'll definitely want to know, you know, when you're taking it if you're falling in that average, but it's just helpful to know what your dog's average is, you know, 60 to 100 is still a pretty wide range. Sure. So, every every month, you take your dog's heart rate when they're resting, and it's 60. And then one month, all of a sudden, that is 100. That's the reason for you to go wait a minute, you know, maybe I should check their heart rate for the rest of the day, every hour and see if it stays here. And if so you might call your vet and say I noticed this thing, right. And to me, to both of us, one of the things I think that's powerful about this campaign, and since signing up and having this is that ability to say to your vet, I noticed this, and I need to have a talk about it, because I'm worried it could be a problem. And your vet becomes more informed because you're more informed. This just helps with the relationship you have with your vet and with how your vet can help you with your pets’ health. Absolutely. And I assume you know, you can always get a baseline when you're at the veterinarian next time. Just ask, you know, what is normal for my dog? As far as heart rate or pulse? For sure. Yeah. And it's really you know, and we'll explain this. But it's actually pretty simple. You just need to have a clock with a timer so that you can time for 15 seconds and you put your heart or your hand over your dog's heart, usually the left side of their chest. And you just count how many beats in those 15 seconds you get. And then you multiply by four. And that's their heart rate for the minute. Interesting. And can you also do it in the femoral artery there on the rear leg? You can but depending on the breed, it could be harder to find. So usually the chest and because of the strength of the dog's heart, it's easier to feel it there. But you could, that is possible. Got it. Okay, awesome. Next one. Temperature. We were talking about that a little bit. Yeah, and this is another one that definitely varies between breeds between dogs, just like with humans, our temperatures aren't all the exact same. So it is a great place, like what Chloe was mentioning for her dog Onyx to really know what that baseline temperature is. And to understand even though the normal range for dogs can be anywhere from 101-102.5, you know, if your dog tends to be closer to 101, if they're at that higher end that could indicate that something is up and might be something that you want to bring up to your vet. And one of the things Chloe was mentioning is you know, it helps build that conversation, that relationship that you have with your vet, but I feel like generally when I go to the vet, they ask, you know, is everything okay? How are things going and unless there's something that's like you know, this is wrong. Sometimes I feel like I don't actually know unless I am doing these things I know that like their temperature has been consistent, their body scan has been good, their heart rate has been good. And then the other two things that are coming after this as well. But I think that really helps you also feel confident and like, yeah, things are good, or, you know, no, there's something going on. You know, let's check this out, let's have a conversation about it. But with temperature, we did you know, allude to earlier on that there is the more traditional rectal method of measuring your dog's temperature, we are excited that there are new things coming out to make that a little bit easier, a little bit more comfortable for all parties involved. And we'll of course, share more information about that on our emails as well. But that's pretty much what it is, is you're going to be sitting taking the temperature, it's also like Chloe was mentioning, make sure that it's not after you just went on a big hike or a run or anything, because you know, our temperatures are gonna raise as we are more active. And so that's the same with dogs as well. Right. So there’s the key components for temperature. I love it. And we have to remember that dogs, you know, they have this insulating layer of hair and fur when it's cold. But for them to stay cool is more difficult for them, because they don't have the same cooling system of sweat glands that we do. So we really need to watch for signs of heatstroke overheating, you know, the excessive panting, and so forth. But knowing how to take their temperature, you know, to gauge where they are. I love that. And I think too many of us with all of these five wellness checks, we just say, oh, you know, we'll have it done at the vet whenever we go next. But being on top of it at home, you both have said it many times, you know your own dog, you know when there's a red flag. So I just I'm so excited. I hope you can feel that. Yeah. Okay. On to number four. This is a biggie, literally. Weight. Yeah, wait. And I will say this is the one that depending on the size of your dog, could be a little bit more difficult. So if you have a really like, if you're talking about St. Bernard, or you know, a Newfie or something, you probably have to take them somewhere to weigh them, I don't think you're going to be picking them up. So there is that I will, I will say that. But I also know that like at least here and I've heard this for other places, you know, we're in Denver, Colorado, but I know your vet has a scale right in their office. And most vets will let anyone go in and just weigh their pet, and just walk in and put your pet on a scale, there's also a lot of local groomers will have a scale that they'll let you go in and use. So chances are if you have a larger breed dog, there is a place within you know, pretty close to you that you could just pop in. And maybe it's a different stop once a month, because you know, you just do that. But if you wanted to kind of keep an eye on that on your dog's weight, that is a way you can do it. I am lucky enough that my little dog here, I mean, he weighs 38 pounds. So he's not tiny, but he can be picked up. So you just take your weight. Yeah, pick up your dog stand on the scale. Now you have a total weight. Obviously, their weight is total weight minus your weight. Correct? Exactly. So easy. Math. Everybody can do it. Yeah. So it is it is possible. This is serious, because you probably know, over half of all the dogs in the United States are overweight or obese. Yep. So this is a telltale sign of so many different health issues. Diabetes, heart problems, arthritis. So this is crucial for us to understand what the proper weight versus an obese or overweight dog looks like. And I know there's in addition to actually weighing your dog, what are some other ways that we can look at that indicate proper weight versus overweight? We will be talking about in our email, you know, the rib test. You know, as you as you feel your dog because that was one of the hard things if you have a big fluffy dog, they can gain some weight and hide it pretty well, because they're big and fluffy anyway, right? So you always want to you know, as you're feeling your dog along their ribs, you should be able to feel the ribs without them protruding, right protruding is too skinny, but you should be able to sort of gently go along the side and tell that there are ribs there and kind of be able to count them. There is a visual that a lot of vets will put up in their office that kind of shows the scale right there, like rate your pets from like, you know, like one to eight or something I forget the full range. But, you know, you want this sort of gauge where you're looking down at them over the top. And you can see that from the ribcage to their abdomen, it comes in a little bit, there's that little… They have waistline. Your dog should have a little waist. And then you just want to make sure again, you know, not protruding, but you can feel the ribs if you can't feel ribs, there's way too much stuff between your finger and the rib. And it's not fur. There's another way that you can look from the side. And if your dog's abdomen is lower than or the same level as their chest, right. Oh my gosh, that is an overweight dog. So yeah, just by looking …not, good, everybody. So when they're looking at you with those puppy dog eyes, they don't need all those treats. Don't let your dog do that. Because you're doing a disservice when it comes to weight. Well, I like to encourage like people, Krista, I know you're big on this too. And just I kind of laugh at some of the things that we give our dogs but like, stop giving them a treat, maybe give them a piece of broccoli. Or a blueberry. You're right. Yeah, exactly. Yes. You know. Yeah. And I think that will be part of it, too, is like, you know, we mentioned that there'll be one sort of new thing each month. So there's always going to be these five things, we're going to send you a checklist, we're just going to send you the ability to have a log, we know some people like to do it digitally. Some like to have something printed, however you want to keep track of it is fine. But we will give you a log in case you would like something given to you. Because that's what becomes amazing to have six months down the line, about six months of logs of these things that you can actually show your vet and say, Look, I've been keeping track, Everything's been great. Or, you know, we had a month that was kind of off, maybe it's gotten better, maybe it's not, but you just want to have that discussion with them to see if there's anything you should be worrying about. Because maybe, maybe they lost a little weight. You can't explain why. Right. You know, and that's important to note as well. So we're gonna have all that in there. And then in addition, every month will have something in there so like February's dental health month, we'll probably go a little bit more in depth about dental health. As summer comes around, we'll probably talk about heatstroke and what to look out for right there'll be something related to sort of a season or the month, that sort of continues to educate everybody on things you can just look for at home. Perfect. Well, speaking of dental, as we're about to wrap up here, the fifth wellness check is teeth and gums. So could one of you walk us through what we should be looking for? Yeah, absolutely. So, as with all of these, you're going to want to look for the baseline. Depending on how old and how rigorous you are about, you know your dog's dental health. Now, there may be already some existing plaque and tartar, discolorations, things like that. So you're gonna want to create that baseline have a you know, understanding of what color your dog's teeth are, what color their gums are, and then continue to check that if there are discolorations, make sure that they don't change get bigger get worse. You're also going to want to look for the health of your dog's overall teeth. Notice if there's any cracks or breakage or splitting or the teeth are starting to change significant colors. And then of course, you're going to want to look at the whole mouth as well as make sure there aren't any sores. Look at their tongue. I know my dog, Ralph has a mostly pink tongue, but he has a big black spot in the middle of it. So I always keep an eye on that making sure that it's, you know, it's still the same black spot as it's always been, but really looking at gums, teeth, their mouths and their tongue. Yeah. And breath is a major sign. Puppy breath is not a good thing. That means that there is infection, inflammation, possibly abscesses. So you ladies are hitting the nail on the head. Because we know that periodontal disease affects other organs in the body. overall health does start in the mouth and people listening know why I am not a huge fan of kibble. You know, it's a dry processed food. And so many dogs fed that diet are really in a state of dehydration. So there's a way that you can even check your dog's gums. For you know, if your finger can slide over the gums and glide easily, then there's enough moistness and they are hydrated. But if not, if it's sticky or tacky, then that could indicate dehydration so you can address it, then. Yeah. And being like in your dog's mouth, it might be the first couple of times, it might be an experience for both of you. But it is something that again, will get easier with time. It is important. I know the very first time after I had Ralph, and I took him to the vet. And I found out after that, that he actually had a cracked tooth. And I felt terrible, because that meant that I wasn't looking at him close enough. And he had been living with this tooth for who knows how long, right? And so I think it is super important to actually get up in there and look, and both of you feel comfortable with what's going on. And you know, while you're there, doesn't hurt to maybe do a little bit of brushing. It doesn't hurt at all. That's what we should be doing. Just yeah, 30 seconds a day. And you're so right, because when you're brushing your dog's teeth, you will see if there is something going on, it's a great time, not just monthly, we're talking daily. Well, ladies, I am so excited and grateful to you for putting this you know, it's like an aha moment. Why didn't this exist to begin with? Yeah, exactly. So where can everybody find out more information about you two, All Pet Voices, and this new campaign that you're putting into place the Pet Health 5? So definitely. We are @AllPetVoices in all of the places. And our website is Allpetvoices.com And this is going to be launching here mid November. So you're going to if you go to that site, you cannot miss Pet Health 5. Instagram: @allpetvoices Facebook: @allpetvoices TWITTER: @allpetvoices Okay, perfect. And all of these links to find Allpetvoices.com, is going to be in the show notes as well as the URL. Ladies, this has been wonderful. And I'm so excited that you created this program, any parting words? I think really, what I just want to encourage everybody is that we you are the advocate for your dog. And the more you know, the better choices you can make. And the better discussions you can have with your vet and the more in control you can feel of your dog's health. So something like this is really just meant to help guide you there. And I just want to encourage everybody to, you know, not only sign up for the program, so they get that reminder and do the things to keep those logs and have the conversations because everybody your pet, you, everybody will be in better health, both physically and mentally and emotionally. If you just are in a little bit more control and have a little bit more knowledge. Absolutely. Jessica? Yeah. Chloe nailed it. And I just want to say thank you so much for having us here today. And I think we all have the same goal to improve lives of our dogs, but also dogs everywhere. And I think this is a step forward in that direction. I agree. Well, thank you, both of you for being here. We appreciate you. Everybody, go to Allpetvoices.com. And sign up for free for these monthly reminders for Pet Health 5. Thanks, ladies. Thank you. Again, thanks to ABSC Organics, makers of the ABSC Pure Organic CBD Oil for sponsoring this episode. I highly recommend these products and encourage you to go to check them out at www.petpainfree.com. If your pet suffers from epileptic seizures, joint pain from osteoarthritis, or a host of other conditions, know that ABSC Organics uses their research to manufacture trustworthy products that provide symptomatic relief for pets. And don’t forget to use the code WAG15 to receive 15% off your first order! Thanks for listening. You'll find some helpful links in the show notes and if you enjoy the show, please be sure to follow and listen for free on your favorite podcast app. And please, please share your feedback. 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Hi everyone, This is Krista with Episode #141. On the Wag Out Loud pawdcast. I am so excited to share with you that I'm going to be expanding my Wag Out Loud business, with lots of exciting things to come. I wanted to let you know that as of January 2022, I'm going to go from releasing weekly episodes to releasing bi monthly episodes. Putting the Show on is so important to me. But to do it right, and all on my own, I've decided to bring you the same awesome guests and content, but just with a lesser frequency. That's going to give me more time to work on other fantastic projects and the canine health and wellness space. So stay tuned for some exciting future announcements. I am begging everybody. Please restrain your pup while traveling in your car. According to the pet advocacy group, Bark Buckle Up, a 60 pound dog in a car traveling just 35 miles an hour can turn into a 2700 pound projectile in an accident. So please play it safe and make sure your dog is secured in a crash tested crate or buckle them up via an appropriate harness either in the backseat or for smaller dogs in an appropriate booster seat. Let's ensure that your dog doesn't become one of these statistics. Welcome to the Wag Out Loud pawdcast, where we are obsessed with bringing you helpful tips on canine health care, nutrition, and overall wellbeing. If you'd like to support the show, check out the amazing online events, products and resources that I personally recommend on the Wag Out Loud website. I'm your host, Krista and I'm super excited to be bringing you yet another tail wagging episode. Dr. Michael Blackwell had a doctorate of veterinary science as well as a masters in public health. He directs the Program for Pet Health Equity at the University of Tennessee, chairs the Access to Veterinary Care Coalition, and serves as a member of the HSVMA Board of Directors. In the past he has served as dean of the College of Veterinary Medicine at the University of Tennessee, the chief of staff at the Office of the Surgeon General of the U.S., the deputy director of the Center for Veterinary Medicine at the Food and Drug Administration, and the chief veterinary officer of the U.S. Public Health Service and The Humane Society of the United States. During 23 years of active duty, he achieved the rank of Assistant Surgeon General of the U.S Public Health Service Commissioned Corps. He has owned two private practices and has received numerous awards and recognitions. Hello dog lovers. Today we are going to learn something new as we chat with Dr. Michael Blackwell, about access to veterinary care, a national family crisis. Dr. Blackwell, thank you so much for being here. I've been looking forward to this interview. And everybody's going to be blown away about all that you do. So if you could introduce yourself, and tell us why you have such a heart for providing veterinary care for underserved families. Well, certainly thank you for the opportunity to join you with on this podcast and share information with your audience. Yes, Dr. Michael Blackwell. I'm the director of the program for pet health equity at the University of Tennessee. And our mission is to improve access to veterinary care for underserved families. It's a huge societal crisis that we have and such important work. We often hear about access to health care with respect to human members of the family, but not as much about the non human members. And so we need to catch up in this work. And I'm just so thrilled to be doing it. You must have a huge heart and I can't wait for everybody to learn about the program. So why don't we start with statistics. So according to a study from the University of Tennessee's College of Social Work, and the Access to Veterinary Care Coalition, 28% of households reported having barriers to veterinary care in the past two years. So money being the biggest factor and the study also estimated more than 29 million pets live in homes that rely on SNAP benefits, or food stamps. Can I first ask what are SNAP benefits? Yes, SNAP is an acronym for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, formerly known as the food stamp program. So many of our families rely on public assistance in the form of food stamps, I do want to hasten to say we are having to overcome a bias about the people who need assistance. The bias is many might think that these are people who are irresponsible if they just worked harder or went out and got a job, they wouldn't be needing help. But the truth of the matter is the largest percentage of these folks do contribute. They do work, but they're paid such low wages that they can't support the family without some assistance. So we use that measure because if you qualified for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program or SNAP, then you probably are not walking into a veterinary clinic paying for veterinary care. And so that was thought to be pretty sound measure or estimate of the size of the problem. Sure. Well, and you and I both know, in this day and age, so many more dogs are not only getting cancer, but all of the other diseases associated with the lifestyle and toxins in our environment, that I mean, even people with means more and more of us are having to face the fact of an awful diagnosis or a surgery or what have you. And it could be so expensive. And it's expensive to have pet insurance as well. So I can't even imagine having a dog where I would have to make a life or death decision, all based on my financial means. Yes. You know, in, in that situation, everybody loses. Let's start with the individual who needs medical care. And then let's look 360 degrees around that pet and see the pet’s people. And we see the veterinary care team that wants to help, that lose, and then our communities lose. Because if we're not preventing and controlling zoonotic diseases, those diseases that an animal can pass on to a human, then our communities are at risk as well. It's a very, very difficult and important situation that must be addressed. And we think it can be, but we need to intend to fix that. You, a few years ago, you did a lot of research in this area. So can you share what your findings are? Yes. And let's start with the stats that you just shared. More than one out of four families reported a barrier to veterinary care in the previous two years. That is, as bad as that number is, things have gotten worse since COVID-19. You know, there are still individuals who are unemployed or not fully employed as they were before the pandemic. So the numbers have worsened, the problem has worsened. We wanted to understand those barriers. And as you pointed out, the biggest one is finances. But there are some others. And these pet owners, a very important stat is 88% of the respondents consider their pet a family member. And interestingly, the veterinarians that were surveyed, about the same percentage considered the pets family members. And the veterinarians, with 90% believe that when these pets do not get veterinary care that there are emotional impacts, negative impacts upon the pet’s family. And so we wanted to characterize the problem with an initial study. And of course, our work has continued since then, that Access to Veterinary Care Coalition wanted to understand better what these barriers are. And let me just point this out, you know, in animal welfare work, and in veterinary medicine, we are historically very pet centric or animal centric in our thinking in our activities. But when we talk about barriers to medical care, the pets don't present the barriers. The barriers are human derived human factors. I point that out because both the veterinary medicine industry or profession and animal welfare industry need to broaden our scope so that we understand we've got to like the people well enough to help them because that is the way by which we're going to help the the pets, the individuals we want to reach. Sure, that makes sense. Well, I know you've talked about the data and what it looks like for bonded families versus the health metrics with non-bonded families. Can you talk a little bit about that? Yes. And just as a reminder, we coined the term bonded family, or bonded family in order to be more precise about who it is we're talking about. so bonded means, families that have animals. Bond bonded families are the ones where there is truly an emotional bond between the humans and the non human members of that family. In other words, the human animal bond And so we thought that it was important to be clear that these families are very much deserving of support because of those emotional impacts. And so previous studies and our own work that's ongoing shows that humans benefit from these relationships. And the benefits are both psychological and physiological or physical. We know that, for example, people with pets are more physically active, especially with with dogs, because they take them out for a walk, they're more socially engaged, less depression, and anxiety is measured less stress. Our recent work shows that these families, these bonded families, report a higher rate of happiness, if you would, and well being. So in summary, there, there's some work that's been done. And we need to continue to do the work to better understand why we humans are healthier or better off when we're in these relationships. And this then gets back to the fact that helping the animals means understanding what's going on with, in this case, the pet’s' people. These benefits, by the way do translate into economics. So for example, the very people who struggled to pay for needed services don't need to be getting sick. There are people who struggled to access health care for the humans don't need to be getting sick. And if the pets are helping them to stay healthier, man, don't we want to make sure that that they are able to have that relationship. And so we take the position, we don't believe you should be denying a relationship with another. Period. But in this case, denying the relationship with a pet because of finances. In that the end of the day. It's more costly for the family. It is more costly for our nation. When families are unhealthy, human members are unhealthy. Well, I just want to let everybody know that Dr. Blackwell is behind this whole concept because you have both a Doctorate of Veterinary Science, you are a veterinarian, as well as a Master's in Public Health. So those two married together brings us to this program and this cause. And to your point, the lack of veterinary care impacts not only our pets and ourselves as the pet family, the veterinary care team and the community. So I love how you are trying to address all of these areas. So what we are going to do is take a quick sponsor break and then why don't we dive into this program for Pet Health Equity, and how you foresee making an impact on veterinary care, so we'll be right back. We are so grateful to the Original Mine Pet Platter for sponsoring this episode. This has to be one of my favorite products ever! The Mine Pet Platter is designed to benefit the health and well-being of your dog and promotes the ultimate natural feeding experience for both meals and treats. 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Hello, this is Krista with Episode #140. On the Wag Out Loud pawdcast. I am so excited to announce that I'm going to be expanding my Wag Out Loud business with exciting things in store. I wanted to let you know that as of January 2022, I'm going to go from releasing weekly episodes to releasing bi monthly episodes. Putting the show on is so important to me, but to do it right, and all on my own, I've decided to bring you the same awesome guests and content, but just with a lesser frequency. That will give me more time to work on other fantastic projects in the canine health and wellness space. So stay tuned for some exciting future announcements. According to the experts at Wisdom Health, all dogs have a unique way of expressing love. But there are five common ways our dogs communicate love through body language and behavior. They are happy tail wagging, which shows that your dog is relaxed and happy. Licking, which is a sign of affection passed down from wolves. Leaning or sitting on you, following you around, because they just want to be close and playing with you. Our pups have tons of love to give. Welcome to the Wag Out Loud pawdcast, where we are obsessed with bringing you helpful tips on canine health care, nutrition, and overall wellbeing. If you'd like to support the show, check out the amazing online events, products and resources that I personally recommend on the Wag Out Loud website. I'm your host, Krista and I'm super excited to be bringing you yet another tail wagging episode. Carol Novello is the founder of Mutual Rescue™ and author of “Mutual Rescue: How Adopting a Homeless Animal Can Save You, Too.” Mutual Rescue is a national initiative that highlights the connection between people and pets to inspire and support life-saving efforts in communities across the nation and world. Mutual Rescue’s short films have gone viral around the globe and collectively been viewed more than 150 million times. Welcome dog lovers to a another tail wagging episode of the Wag Out Loud pawdcast. And joining us today is Carol Novello. And she is here to chat about how dogs and people help each other. Carol, thank you so much for being here today. May I ask you to introduce yourself and tell us why you started Mutual Rescue? Thanks, Krista. It's a delight to be on the podcast today. Mutual Rescue came about because when I got involved in animal welfare, people would sometimes ask me why I was helping animals when I could be helping people. I thought that was a very curious question, because I know how much animals have helped me in my own life. And I was running a large animal welfare organization. And I was seeing every day, how adopting animals was helping the people that were welcoming them into their family. And so Mutual Rescue came about because I really wanted to elevate the cause of animal welfare and put it on par with other human related causes. Because when you're helping animals, you actually are helping people. And Mutual Rescue had great success with our first film, Eric and Peety. And I can talk a little bit more about that. But the success of that led to the opportunity to create more short films. And it also led to the opportunity to write a book called Mutual Rescue: How Adopting a Homeless Animal Can Save You Too. So I'm really excited about the work that we're doing to change the hearts and minds of people everywhere and really to advance animal services into the integration of human services so that we can continue to help each other in new and profound ways. I love it. Wow. Well, you mentioned the book, Mutual Rescue. So in the book, you gave some really interesting statistics, that we are a nation that's plagued by illness that we all know that 16 million adults suffer from depression, 29 million from diabetes, 8 million at any given time they have PTSD, and that nearly 40% of us are obese. And I was shocked to see that 60% of doctors said that they prescribe pet adoption, and 97% believe that pet ownership provides health benefits. That is amazing. Wow! Yeah, it's pretty exciting. That was a specific survey that was done to physicians and out of that survey, those were the percentages, which is really pretty amazing. And in fact, Eric and Peety, our first Film is a story about an obese man. And he was told by one doctor that if he didn't change his lifestyle, he was going to be dead in five years. And he subsequently found his way to a naturopathic doctor. And the very first thing that she recommended to him that she prescribed to him was to go adopt a shelter dog. And she did that for a couple of reasons. One was, she wanted him to walk the dog for at least 30 minutes a day. So that was one thing, there definitely was a physical exercise component to it. But she also saw that Eric was very isolated, very lonely, and really saw that he needed a connection, and support. And that's exactly what Peety did for him. And it's amazing the transformation that they both went through because he was, was overweight when Eric adopted him, and they both lost a lot of weight. And Eric went on to run a marathon. And it really, truly transformed his life. And he credits that all to Peety. So on the one hand, you hear those numbers, like, you know, wow, 60% of doctors prescribe pet adoption. 97% believe that pets have benefits. And then you see stories like this, and it all kind of makes sense. It's astonishing, really. I totally agree. And we've mentioned this on the show many times that, you know, our dogs, of course, we consider them family. But if you really think about it, they are so much more, they are our therapists and our doctors, and they bring so much to our lives. And I guess if there's any silver lining out of the whole pandemic, that it was more and more people realized that this was a great time to adopt a pet. You know, during difficult times, you heard that so many shelters were actually empty. So I think more and more of us are realizing, you know, the show is, of course, specifically about dogs, how they enrich and enhance our lives. Well, it's really amazing in all areas of our lives too, I think is what's really so fantastic that the book is divided into four chapters, heart, body, mind, and connection. And each of those sections, excuse me, there's about into four sections. And within those sections are numerous chapters that talk about the impact of animals on those particular aspects of our life. So in the heart section, it talks about building trust, and courage and resilience and overcoming grief. In body it talks about heart health, and, and weight, how to manage, you know, anxiety and the roles that animals can play in that. In mind, it talks about depression, and resilience and the things that we need to do to stay mentally healthy. And then connection is about our social relationships, and how dogs can help foster connections, not just with, you know, animals, to humans, but also how animals help us connect to other people. And I think that is, is a really special aspect of what they do for us as well. So what the book talks about is not just stories, but it also brings in the science, and the research that documents it. So it's fun, because you know, you'll read a story. And then there's a you may identify with yourself in that story or someone you know, and then there's the research that helps explain what's actually you know, going on in your body for what it is that you're experiencing. And one of the great things about animals is that they can help release, feel good chemicals in our bodies, so oxytocin, serotonin, prolactin, those kinds of feel good chemicals. There's a biological change in your body when you're having a positive interaction with your pet. And what's really fun is that there's been research done on dogs that shows that dogs are having the same experience when they're interacting with humans. They're, they're having that same release of biochemical hormones. So it definitely goes both ways. They, they love us as much as we love them. Yes, absolutely. Well, I tried to think of all the ways that dogs do benefit our lives. And I wanted to know if, if I can just make some statements and you and I can unpack those, because there is a lot of research and science. So dogs make us feel less alone. How do they support in that? Yeah, I think it gets back to what I was just talking about in terms of the release of those feel good chemicals. Because you know, when you are depressed or you're feeling alone, your biochemistry, there are certain chemicals that are coursing through your body. And when you have an opportunity to interact with an animal, you're getting again, this, this release of feel good chemicals, and it's changing your biochemistry, it helps you feel less alone. It feels like, you know, there's somebody in your corner. And, you know, I wholeheartedly agree with that statement. And I know that there was a survey done by the Human Animal Bond Research Institute, and they found that 85% of respondents believe that interaction with pets does reduce loneliness. So I thought that was very interesting. Yeah, I mean, it's the people that are having the experience will tell you they feel that. Yes, exactly. Dogs are good for your heart. Yeah, absolutely. And Eric and Peety, that film that I mentioned, is a great example of that. They help your heart in a variety of different ways. Help, they can help lower blood pressure, they can help motivate you to want to take more walks, or be more physically active, like Eric was. And it's really interesting, the American Heart Association, you know, did some research and they issued a statement where they said, you know, that dogs may actually help reduce heart disease, which is a pretty big deal for an organization of that stature to actually come out with that kind of claim. And I think that's a pretty good checkmark in the pro column for having a dog. I agree. All right, what about dogs help you to stop stressing out? Well, I know for me that one of the things I appreciate most about the dogs I've had in my life is how much they caused me to be grounded in the present moment. You know, they really keep me focused on the here and now. So that's, you know, my own personal experience. But one of the things that is very interesting is some of the research that's been done around this, they've actually looked at scenarios where they've asked people, they've done it with both math tests, as well as doing word problems. And they broke the people up into three groups and the first group, they were people that had their pets with them while they took the test. The second group did not have their animals with them, but they were asked to think about their pets in the context of while they were taking this test. And then the third group was just told to think about some random person while they were taking the test. And what was so interesting was that both groups, both of the animal groups where the animals were present, or whether they were just thinking about the animals, their blood pressure, did not spike as much it returned to normal much more quickly after the test was over, they were more likely to perceive the test as being a challenge rather than a threat in terms of how it felt to them. And even more amazingly, people got more answers, right. And so not only do dogs kind of keep us from stressing out, you know, by minimizing stress, or helping us cope better with stress that makes us “smarter”. I think because we are diverting our attention in ways that take away from our ability to solve problems. That makes sense. And to that point, I don't know if this is the same study, but this was Washington State University, they pretty much showed that dogs lower blood pressure, heart rate, they slow your breathing, they relax your muscle tension. And this all happens within just 10 minutes of petting a dog. That is the impact. And as you mentioned before, of course, a much higher reduction in cortisol, which is the major stress hormone. So it's just fascinating, and I can't believe that we're already halfway through Carol. We are going to take a quick sponsor break and we will be right back. Sounds good. Thanks so much to our friends at Primalhealth for sponsoring this episode. 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Hello everyone, this is Krista with Episode #139 on the Wag Out Loud pawdcast. Because I'm going to be expanding my Wag Out Loud business with exciting things in store, I wanted to let you know that as of January 2022, I will go from releasing weekly episodes to bi monthly episodes. Putting this show on is super important to me, but to do it right, and all on my own, I've decided to bring you the same awesome guests and content, but just with a lesser frequency. So that will give me more time to work on other fantastic projects in the canine health and wellness space. So stay tuned for some exciting future announcements. Did you know this? Dogs recognize that when you leave, your home is full of your scent. And the longer you are gone, the more your smell dissipates. So if you have a regular routine, your dog will learn that at a certain scent level, you will return home. How amazing is that? Welcome to the Wag Out Loud pawdcast, where we are obsessed with bringing you helpful tips on canine health care, nutrition, and overall wellbeing. If you'd like to support the show, check out the amazing online events, products and resources that I personally recommend on the Wag Out Loud website. I'm your host, Krista and I'm super excited to be bringing you yet another tail wagging episode. Larry Kay is a best-selling dog author and award-winning dog filmmaker with two million Facebook fans at Positively Woof. Larry's keynote speeches, workshops, and Dog Hugs video podcast emphasize his passion for dog tricks, positive dog training, animal rescue, and celebrating our human-animal bond. Welcome dog lovers to a another amazing episode of the Wag Out Loud pawdcast. I have no doubt that today's guest is going to teach us a few new tricks. We have Larry Kay with us who is a best selling and award winning dog author and dog filmmaker. Yay! Larry, thanks again for being on the show. Would you please introduce yourself and tell us how you got into trick training and filmmaking with shelter dogs? Krista, thanks so much for having me on your show. Yeah, the way I would typically introduce myself is I am Larry Kay, best selling dog author and award winning dog filmmaker with 2 million Facebook fans at Positively Woof. And, you know, as I thought about getting ready to come on your show today, and I know you like to have your guests introduce themselves. I think what would really give context to my background and how I got here is to say that I was at a crossroads in my career in media. I've always been a writer and producer of Creative Media. And I was mostly known in children's media. That's where I had really developed a reputation throughout the 1990s. And working with Disney and the Muppets. I wrote TV cartoons for the Pink Panther. I was trained at Hanna Barbera. And in fact, the late Bill Hanna was one of my mentors. Wow. So I and I taught filmmaking also at NYU and have a graduate degree in television and from Syracuse University. So I was at this crossroads since like, what's next I'm kind of done with the kids thing I was my my marriage of my long term marriage had broken up and my passion had drained out of my career, which was just as scary as being alone. And it was time to reinvent myself. And so I first did a project created a children's DVD that remember those things? that would teach the little ones, preschoolers how to be safe and successful around dogs. And it has puppetry and animation and original songs and good lessons, all these kinds of things that I got good at in the children's space and did it in the dog space. And at the end of the project, which ended up it's called Animal Wow. it's out of print. You can't even find it anymore. Yeah, I'll probably release it at some point in this thing called the cloud. And I loved the dog thing so much. It's like, I gotta do more of that. How can I do it? So I think I want to, I brought to the space, my background in filmmaking and long form writing and was fortunate enough to be able to do some excellent books. And given that filmmaker’s bend, I really knew that there was a way to bring filmmaking to the dogs and bring dogs to filmmaking not that other people haven't done before. But what's the place where I can make a contribution? Sure. And I got really passionate about shelter dogs. And so, um, you know, we've heard the conversation that shelter dogs, homeless dogs, used dogs, as I like to call them, you know, are somehow less than, and I like to take a seeming liability and flip it around. So that where's the hidden asset? How might they be really cool? in a special way that non shelter dogs are cool. So what is inside of every homeless dog? There's this undiscovered movie star. Then just thinking of this project, Dog Rescue Stars, trick training and filmmaking with homeless dogs. In order to get Yeah, in order to get them the best kind of stardom. A loving home forever. Oh Larry! I am so excited to dive into this. So you are going to cover dog tricks save lives. Yeah. And Larry, is it true that the most common reason that owners abandon their dogs is for behavioral issues? Yeah, yeah. It's, you know, I call it lack of training. And you're right, it's behavioral issues and they're correctable, two biggest ones are for people giving up on dogs are soiling the house. And chewing and barking. Those are the biggest reasons, all of which are correctable. Right. It's just these people didn't give them a chance. Yeah. And I get it. It's, you know, sometimes it's really hard. I've had my butt kicked by shelter dogs more than once, where, where I'm ready to give up. But I just know that it's like, okay, what can I do? And I just keep working at it. And suddenly it clicks. It's like, wow, got another one. Well, why don't you tell us a little bit about this Dog Rescue Stars program from start to finish? What does that look like? Sure. What is it a workshop. It was supposed to start last year before the pandemic. And, yeah, I've been designing it for a number of years. And it's basically trick training and moviemaking with shelter dogs, you know, I'm developing also the workshop for pet dogs. And we'll be piloting it here in Los Angeles. And my sweet spot is to is going into shelters to do this with dogs who are needing a home. So the full workshop is two and a half days. And I also do a single day workshop as well. And it attracts volunteers to take the workshop, trainers and filmmakers. And what shelter wouldn't want to have volunteer trainers and volunteer artists come in and volunteer at their shelter? Sure. So by showing those categories of folks this pretty cool and in some ways very easy way to train dogs and get them rescued, get them hopefully homes, it becomes not a burden on the shelter or local rescue organization. But instead it increases the pool of resources brings in fresh blood, more trainers, more artists and in the products that they create ie the films and other social media. It attracts more adopters and more resources. Plus it not only gets the dogs adopted, it helps the local rescue organization, but it also adds to the conversation, transforms the conversation of how cool rescue dogs are. How inside of every rescue dog is this undiscovered star. And it's our job as the talent agents, we’re the detectives to figure out this puzzle. It's a win, win for all really. Yeah, well the dog too. Well, exactly. the volunteers this is all live going on live, or is this a pre recorded workshop? It's a live in person workshop. And I've been developing it for some five plus years, I started this project before I wrote The Big Book of Tricks for the Best Dog Ever. And it was what inspired me to write that book and bring on Chris Perondi, who's a master stunt dog performer, as a co author. And from Chris, I learned all kinds of stuff about trick trading. We're gonna get into some tricks too here today. So everybody stay tuned for that. Larry, did you tell me before that you have had 80 shelter dogs go through this program that were successfully adopted already? Yeah. Including one very unruly Australian Cattle Dog, who when he first came to the set, you could barely touch him. He was scary. And this dog had a history. He’d been adopted twice and given up on twice. And this Australian Cattle Dog, you know, was basically on death row, and it might have been three strikes and you’re out. But fortunately, this shelter Pet Orphans here in Van Nuys, a part of Los Angeles pulled this dog off of death row and gave him the perfect name for a scary dog. Spider. Well, when Spider and 11 other dogs were presented to my film set, and we began making the film, you know, Spider could just barely sit still for five seconds. I mean, you just couldn't touch him. And so while the most of the other dogs, you know, they could sit and stay and even learned a few tricks. Naturally, almost all those dogs got adopted later. But a month later, nobody had come for Spider. So I began to volunteer to walk him. And little by little, he began to open up to me. So he looked at me instead of avoiding eye contact. So when he looked at me, I began to shake with some hand signals. And I introduced him to the agility course, which he loved. And he smiled. So I decided I was up for a really big challenge Krista. I brought Spider home forever. He now knows more than 50 dog tricks. That's amazing. When I first adopted Spider, our veterinarian needed three vet techs, just to examine him. Now, we perform dog tricks in the waiting room. I love it. And and she says he's a completely different dog. You know, so trick training transformed Spider’s life. You know, it made him sociable. And it certainly built our bond. And I believe that trick training can do that for every dog that there is a trick or tricks for just about every dog. Okay, well, Larry, we are going to take a quick commercial break, and we are going to come back and get into trick training. And maybe you can even teach us a few tricks. So, we'll be right back. Thanks to our friends at AnimalBiome for sponsoring today's episode. They are brilliant at applying science to improve your dog’s health. Did you know that 60-70% of your dog’s immune cells are located in the gut microbiome? And when their microbiome is out of balance, it can lead to inflammation associated with GI and skin issues. 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