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Summary: This week our Editor and Publisher Kyle Pope speaks with CJR’s Lyz Lenz about the work we put in in to legitimizing this presidency and whether we are right to make Trump’s narrative coherent.
Summary: This week our Editor and Publisher Kyle Pope speaks with CJR’s Lyz Lenz about the work we put in in to legitimizing this presidency and whether we are right to make Trump’s narrative coherent.