![Design Matters with Debbie Millman show](https://d3dthqtvwic6y7.cloudfront.net/podcast-covers/000/027/070/small/design-matters-with-debbie-millman-2009-2012.jpg)
Summary: Debbie talks to Joe Hollier about an invention of his that is designed to bring back boredom in the era of the smartphone.
Summary: Debbie talks to Joe Hollier about an invention of his that is designed to bring back boredom in the era of the smartphone.