Summary: <br> In episode 64 Kelly Surtees and Austin Coppock join the show to talk about the meanings of the seven classical celestial bodies, as well as how astrologers developed those meanings.<br> The topic was motivated by Chris recently finishing a translation of a chapter on the significations of the planets from the 2nd century astrologer Vettius Valens, and wanting to discuss how astrologers conceptualized the planets when there were just seven.<br> Part of the purpose of this episode is to help astrologers become more familiar with the meanings of the visible planets, and how their meanings function as an interrelated group.<br> Below you will find an outline of some of the topics covered during the course of the episode, followed by links to stream or download the recording.<br> Episode Outline<br> <br> * The set up is that I’ve been working on this chapter of my book on the planets over the past month, and wanted to talk about it.<br> * Finalized a translation of Valens 1, 1 on the natures of the planets.<br> * Important for astrologers to get a good grasp of the 7 traditional planets on their own, and not be overly dependent on the outer planets, like a crutch.<br> * The 7 traditional planets are visible to the naked eye<br> <br> * Visibility distinction may still be relevant today<br> <br> <br> * Sun and Moon included as “planets”<br> * The original meaning of “planet” in contrast to the current one (wandering star)<br> * Where do the significations come from? How would one generate them from scratch?<br> * While mythology is relevant, it is not as important or resorted to as frequently in the early tradition as one might expect.<br> <br> * Only in modern times that this becomes the primary go-to for meanings.<br> * Raises some issues or questions about new planet discoveries, and whether some of the meanings aren’t being generated on a partially mistaken premise.<br> <br> <br> * Most fundamental distinction is benefic / malefic.<br> <br> * Tied into observational fact that Venus & Jupiter are bright / Mars & Saturn dark.<br> * Allows for contrasts between polar opposites. Moral opposites. Subjective opposites.<br> <br> <br> * Contrariety becomes a core concept more broadly.<br> * In order for something to signify something, then something must signify the opposite or alternative.<br> * Ptolemy’s basic natures and temperaments.<br> * Modifications due to planetary condition.<br> * Difficulty of articulating an archetype.<br> * Discussion of some of the main significations of the seven classical planets, starting with the Moon and then moving up to Saturn.<br> <br> Listen to This Episode<br> You can either play this episode of the podcast directly from the website or download it as an MP3 to your computer by using the buttons below:<br>
