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Summary: Guest Renee Lertzman. Environmental Communications Consultant, Associate Faculty, Royal Roads University, British Columbia, and author of the book “Environmental Melancholia: Psychoanalytic Dimensions of Engagement”, speaks with Diane Horn about how our e