![Design Matters with Debbie Millman show](https://d3dthqtvwic6y7.cloudfront.net/podcast-covers/000/027/070/small/design-matters-with-debbie-millman-2009-2012.jpg)
Summary: Debbie talks to Brian Rea about the value of being rejected, about art directing for the <em>New York Times</em>, and about his development as an illustrator.
Summary: Debbie talks to Brian Rea about the value of being rejected, about art directing for the <em>New York Times</em>, and about his development as an illustrator.