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Summary: Editorial director of Design Observer William Drenttel and Change Observer editor Julie Lasky discuss the state of online media and reflect on the end of print.
Summary: Editorial director of Design Observer William Drenttel and Change Observer editor Julie Lasky discuss the state of online media and reflect on the end of print.