![Design Matters with Debbie Millman show](https://d3dthqtvwic6y7.cloudfront.net/podcast-covers/000/027/070/small/design-matters-with-debbie-millman-2009-2012.jpg)
Summary: In this audio interview with Debbie Millman, Aaron Draplin talks about being comfortable in his own skin, midwestern pragmatism and why Oregon beats the shit out of SoCal.
Summary: In this audio interview with Debbie Millman, Aaron Draplin talks about being comfortable in his own skin, midwestern pragmatism and why Oregon beats the shit out of SoCal.