![Design Matters with Debbie Millman show](https://d3dthqtvwic6y7.cloudfront.net/podcast-covers/000/027/070/small/design-matters-with-debbie-millman-2009-2012.jpg)
Summary: In this podcast interview with Debbie Millman, Jake and Pum Lefebure of Design Army discuss how they met, the importance of sketching and keeping their firm small.
Summary: In this podcast interview with Debbie Millman, Jake and Pum Lefebure of Design Army discuss how they met, the importance of sketching and keeping their firm small.