Summary: <a href="https://thisiscriminal.com/" target="_blank">CRIMINAL</a> was a mega-hit long before the genre of true-crime took off in podcasting. On this episode, Manoush and Jen talk to the show's co-creators, <a href="https://twitter.com/PhoebeVJudge" target="_blank">Phoebe Judge</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/laurenspohrer" target="_blank">Lauren Spohrer</a>, about quitting their stable public radio jobs to start a company (sound familiar?), managing each other's quirks, and saying 'no' to the many business opportunities that come their way. This duo has great advice for anyone trying to manage a partnership, balance creativity with bill paying, or just stay to one's weirdo self. GO DEEPER: A <a href="https://metro.co.uk/2018/09/13/true-crime-podcasts-arent-solving-miscarriages-of-justice-its-more-complicated-than-that-7938437/" target="_blank">deep dive</a> into the messy relationship between true crime podcasts and justice. How Phoebe and Lauren get it done from Raleigh's <a href="https://www.newsobserver.com/entertainment/arts-culture/article159872709.html" target="_blank">The New & Observer</a>. The <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/11/19/how-podcasts-became-a-seductive-and-sometimes-slippery-mode-of-storytelling" target="_blank">New Yorker</a> article on the new golden age of podcast storytelling. Guy Raz's mega-entrepreneur podcast in the <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/23/business/guy-raz-how-i-built-this.html" target="_blank">New York Times</a>. <a href="https://agency.reuters.com/en/insights/industryreports/future-of-voice-implications-for-news.html" target="_blank">The Future of Voice and the Implications for News</a> from Reuters. It's a <a href="https://www.poynter.org/news/crowded-field-some-media-companies-sour-podcasts" target="_blank">bear market</a> for some podcast shops. More acronyms: PRX (of which Radiotopia is a branch) <a href="https://current.org/2018/08/pri-prx-merge-to-form-new-organization/" target="_blank">merges</a> with PRI (think The World). Help someone discover the joy of listening by sharing Gretchen Rubin's free <a href="http://giftofpodcast.com/" target="_blank">Gift of Podcast</a> instructions. Btw, the SEC has a <a href="https://www.sec.gov/ICO" target="_blank">new guide</a> to ICOs. And <a href="http://fortune.com/2018/11/23/cryptocurrency-crash-2018-bitcoin-price/" target="_blank">Crypto</a> is crashing. Who You’ll Hear: Manoush Zomorodi (@Manoushz), Jen Poyant (@jpoyant), Phoebe Judge co-creator and host of Criminal (@PhoebeVJudge), Lauren Spohrer cocreator of Criminal (@laurenspohrer) ZigZag is the business show about being human. Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. **If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.
