Summary: Author and conference organizer, J. P. Harpignies, recently interviewed utopian SF author, Kim Stanley Robinson, on stage at a Bioneers gathering. KMO took a recorder over to JP's place to continue the conversation. They look at the value of utopian thought and ambition as well as the dangers. KMO and JP agree that the idea that Earth is just the cradle of humanity and that we are meant to leave it to establish an interstellar civilization is a dangerous conceit. KMO ends with a reading from JP's new book, Animal Encounters. Music by Jay Kauffman.
