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After Work Drinks

Summary: After Work Drinks is a weekly pop culture, news and entertainment podcast brought to you by journalists Isabelle Truman and Grace O’Neill. You can email us on afterworkdrinkspodcast@gmail.com, follow us on Instagram at @isabelletruman and @grceoneill or join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast.' Music by Cory Champion Image by Ella Jane

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 The Genius Of Phoebe Waller-Bridge And Society's Obsession With Age | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 01:02:40

Izzy talks us through her attempt to relive her youth at a music festival in Spain, which resulted in her ending up in the same bedridden state as Grace, who’d just had a serious surgery (spoiler alert: her voice is the same). On the agenda this week, we talk about Irina Shayk’s iconic Breakup Day Out, the response to Madonna likening her New York Times profile to being raped, society’s obsession with ageing and the woman we seriously can’t get enough of, Phoebe Waller-Bridge. Recommendations Watch: Fleabag, Killing Eve, When They See Us, Chernobyl, Dead To Me, Barrys, Documentary Now!, Big Little Lies, Girls Listen: How to Fail - Phoebe Waller-Bridge, Awards Chatter - Phoebe Waller-Bridge, WTF with Marc Maron - Barack Obama

 A Very Special (And Manic) Episode | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 01:17:51

Hi guys! This week we are thrilled to welcome Mel and Josie from All Aussie Mystery Hour, the (second) best true crime podcast in the world. We talk to Mel and Jose about true crime and mental health – is it good or bad for us? As the hosts of one of Australia’s top true crime and mystery podcasts they’re especially well-equipped to discuss. Plus, we have a D&M about working with your bestie – the ups and the downs. Enjoy! Recommendations: The Murder Squad Podcast Sins of the Brother by Les Kennedy The Witness (2015) documentary The Van Apfel Girls Are Gone By Felicity McLean Boy Swallows Universe by Trent Dalton Sharp Objects by Gillian Flynn

 Moby, Natalie Portman and 'Nice Guy' Misogyny | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 00:59:55

Izzy’s moved to London and has already figured out where David Beckham, Jude Law and Hugh Grant live and she has a bunch of great recs after a horrific 30-hour flight (which, despite two premonitions from Anton, didn't crash). This week saw another horrific death, as Melbourne woman Courtney Herron was murdered in a park - a story we've heard all too many times before. Are we right to discuss the mental health of her alleged killer? Plus, Moby, Natalie Portman and nice guy misogyny - how are 'woke guys' still getting sex and power dynamic so wrong? Follow us on Instagram at @afterworkdrinkspodcast and join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast.' Recommendations: Movie: ‘The Wife’ Podcast: All Aussie Mystery Hour ft. US on Mystery Minutes #7 Casefile (our fave eps: Sherri Rasmussen, Tina Watson, Silk Road, Jennifer Pan) Anjelica Huston on WTF with Marc Maron Women of the Hour with Lena Dunham and Jemima Kirke Show: ‘Dead to Me’ Louie - So Did the Fat Lady (season 4, episode 3) Read: The Executioner’s Song by Norman Mailer Moby's treatment of Natalie Portman is a masterclass in nice-guy misogyny by Arwa Mahdawi for The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/24/moby-natalie-portman-master-class-beta-male-misogyny Websites to find out more about contraception options: bedsider.org/methods https://jeanhailes.org.au/health-a-z/sex-sexual-health/contraception

 Against Abortion? Have A Vasectomy | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 01:02:34

This week is a bumper special tackling the one issue everyone (not just women!) should be talking about this week: Abortion rights. As Alabama passes the most restrictive abortion laws in the United States as a direct attack on Roe v. Wade, we speak directly to YOU, our listeners, about how access to safe and affordable abortion has impacted your life. We also look at the surprisingly restrictive abortion laws that exist in New South Wales, and the ongoing debacle in Northern Ireland. Plus – Izzy has a major announcement, which sparks us to talk about the concept of ‘workism’ and how in 2019 our identities are so tied up with our jobs. Donate here to help women in the US afford abortions: https://nnaf.formstack.com/forms/donate Recommendations: Chernobyl (2019) on HBO Gore Vidal’s Palimpsest ‘Teenage Girls and Dating Violence’ in The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/21/health/teenage-girls-dating-violence.html ‘What Book Would You Recommend to Anyone?’ on Primer Dead to Me (2019) on Netflix https://primer.com.au/what-book-would-you-recommend-to-anyone/ ‘Vanity is Not A Deadly Sin. It’s One of Life’s Vital Signs’ in The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/15/style/luxury-retirement-communities.html ‘Work at identity, burnout at lifestyle’ on the Ezra Klein Show https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/e/60197403?autoplay=true ‘How Millennials Became the Burnout Generation’ by Anne Helen Peterson for Buzzfeed https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/annehelenpetersen/millennials-burnout-generation-debt-work Roe v. Wade Parts 1 and 2 by The New York Times’ The Daily https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/23/podcasts/the-daily/roe-wade-abortion-norma-mccorvey.html The Legal Vulnerability of Roe v Wade by The New York Times’ The Daily https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/20/podcasts/the-daily/supreme-court-abortion.html Alabama’s Abortion Ban on ‘The High Low’ https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-high-low/id1211338187

 All About Australian Fashion Week – And When Did ‘Game of Thrones’ Get So Bad? | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 00:56:27

We’re back, baby. Delusionally tired from a week of Mercedes-Benz Fashion Week Australia, and ready to rag on the new season of 'Game of Thrones'. This week, what it feels like when street style photographers refuse to photograph you, how 'GoT' lost its way in season eight, what the third SATC movie should've covered, baby Archie's name, and a rogue conversation about Amy Schumer. Why did we start hating her all of a sudden? And why are the people we hate always women? Follow us on Instagram at @afterworkdrinkspodcast and join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast.' Recommendations: The Cut On Tuesdays ‘What If You Regret Becoming A Mother?’ https://gimletmedia.com/shows/the-cut-on-tuesdays/z3hg94/what-if-you-regret-becoming-a-mom The Cut on Tuesdays ‘Call Your Mom’ https://gimletmedia.com/shows/the-cut-on-tuesdays/39hr82/call-your-mom Saving Sex and The City 3 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/saving-sex-and-the-city-3/id1378862255 Sinead Burke On Becoming The First Little Person To Attend The Met Gala in British Vogue https://www.vogue.co.uk/article/sinead-burke-gucci-met-gala 'Awards Chatter' Podcast — Keira Knightley ('Colette') https://player.fm/series/awards-chatter-1401973/keira-knightley-colette Game of Thrones The O.C. Trainwreck (2015)

 Our Met Gala Red Carpet Debrief And The Royal Baby | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 01:07:18

What a week it's been! From surprise celebrity weddings to a quick sojourn to Paris and a royal baby, we have a lot to debrief on. Oh, and there was *that* Game of Thrones episode. But we're really here for one reason and one reason only: Met Gala. Izzy and Grace take out their fashion commentator hats and do an in-depth analysis of the red carpet. Best Met Gala ever?  Follow us on Instagram at @afterworkdrinkspodcast and join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast.' Recommendations: Years Ago, My Sister Vanished. I see Her Whenever I Want. in The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/03/style/modern-love-sister-vanished.html Anjelica Huston, In Conversation in Vulture https://www.vulture.com/2019/05/anjelica-huston-in-conversation.html Guantanamo's Darkest Secret by Ben Taub in The New Yorker https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/04/22/guantanamos-darkest-secret

 Is It Time To Quit Drinking? Plus, Olivia Munn And Thin-Skinned Celebrities | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 01:02:57

It turns out Grace isn't the only one who can't play sport to save her life and thanks to a few listener's hilarious childhood stories she's feeling better about *that* basketball incident. We have a few incredible true crime documentary recommendations and Izzy's obsessed with this crazy sex cult called NXIVM, which attracted millionaires and celebrities with the founders currently going through the court system. Speaking of celebs, Olivia Munn's Twitter essay and Lizzo's smackdown of an unfavourable review has the journalism world questioning - are celebrities getting a little thin-skinned? Plus, according to recent studies, young adults are drinking less than ever before and the 'sober curious' movement shows no signs of slowing down. It's a no brainer that alcohol is bad for our psychical and mental health, so should we all just stop drinking? (Spoiler: we were drinking rosé while debating this). Ps! We’ll post all our recommendations and behind the scenes on Instagram: @afterworkdrinkspodcast . Plus, you can join our closed Facebook group, After Work Drinks Podcast. Recommendations: Billie Eilish (lol) To watch: The Case Against Adnan Syed, The Jinx, The Bold Type To read: Celebrities couldn't take criticism this week https://www.vogue.com/article/olivia-munn-fug-girls-ariana-grande-justin-bieber-lizzo The Instagram aesthetic is over https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/04/influencers-are-abandoning-instagram-look/587803/ Listen to: Escaping NXIVM (season one of Uncover: The Village podcast)

 Life Without Instagram Likes And Redefining 'Having It All' | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 00:53:46

Kanye suggested it months ago in a ye olde Twitter rant and now Instagram is considering removing how many likes you get on images, which could result in the influencer apocalypse and free the rest of us from the dopamine like cycle for good. Plus, is asking for help the real secret to success? And in recent years, the term ‘having it all’ has been redefined, broken down and dismissed, so why are we all still subconsciously trying to get there? And where even is ‘there’? And then we kinda lose it and talk shit about being useless at sport and being bullied in primary school. Enjoy

 Is ‘Wellness’ Just Another Word For Diet? And Coachella Madness | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 01:03:59

‘Intuitive eating’ is the new buzzphrase taking over the wellness industry, but unlike other fad diets, this philosophy is something we can actually get behind. Off the back of our new attempt at body neutrality, we talk about our relationships with food, dieting and body image growing up, plus the effect Instagram has and the world’s ridiculous notion that overweight automatically equals unhealthy. Plus, it’s Coachella mania, complete with a Jordyn Woods/Kardashian run in and The Daily Mail’s gross reporting on Tammy Hembrow. And finally, Grace is upset that an AWD Book Club movement started without her. To stay up to date and for all our recommendations, follow @afterworkdrinkspodcast on Instagram. To have your say on our topics, join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast'. You can email us on afterworkdrinkspodcast@gmail.com Recommendations To read: A Little Life by Hanya Yanagihara, Conversations with Friends by Sally Rooney, The Secret History by Donna Tartt, The State of Affairs By Esther Perel Everything you know about obesity is wrong https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/everything-you-know-about-obesity-is-wrong/?fbclid=IwAR0fD36Ugo8QPKMfzCLDVEVb9gEZBXYpd9hiGZGFkcvtuOiAE3xgDp9izTI The key to glorifying a questionable diet? Be a tech bro and call it ‘biohacking.’ https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/the-key-to-glorifying-a-questionable-diet-be-a-tech-bro-and-call-it-biohacking/2019/04/11/12368e2c-5ba2-11e9-842d-7d3ed7eb3957_story.html?fbclid=IwAR38LSZ9Hg-pWbe1p-m7jMknLE-COdQbW5a3VChcTybjZ03INFZ5ViAMCtE&noredirect=on&utm_term=.36178dd2c008 Podcast: Don’t Salt my Game by Laura Thomas TV show: Game of Thrones (then put your theories in our FB group!)

 Is Marriage Irrelevant? And Meeting Kendall Jenner | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 00:42:45

We're in an era where women value their independence even more than ever - but we're still collectively as obsessed with marriage as we ever have been. Why? Izzy and Grace discuss the role of marriage in 2019 - is it even relevant anymore? What's the point? Are we just doing it for Instagram? Plus, a full debrief on meeting Kendall Jenner - and why there's still no mania like Kardashian mania. To stay up to date and for all our recommendations, follow @afterworkdrinkspodcast on Instagram. To have your say on our topics, join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast'. Recommendations: A Little Life by Hanya Yanagihara Giovanni's Room by James Baldwin Nick Cave's The Red Hand Files American Crime Story: The Assassination of Gianni Versace 'How To Fail' podcast with Dolly Alderton The State of Affairs by Esther Perel Marriage: An Investigation on 'The Cut' https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/marriage-an-investigation.html You can email us on afterworkdrinkspodcast@gmail.com

 Why Are We All So Damn Impatient? | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 01:03:12

With the rise of the 'attention economy' and food, shopping, men and, well, literally everything a mere button away - we've all become impatient psychopaths. Or at least that's how Isabelle and Grace feel anyway. How much of patience has to do with being in control? And how is our lack of it affecting everything from our relationships to our mental health? Plus, Jacinda Ardern's response to the Christchurch terror attack proves that when women stop trying to lead like men, we excel. And let's talk 'The Ick' - fundamental part of dating? Or another sign that we're the generation who simply can't stick things out? Recommendations: Movies: Colette, Us Podcasts: The Daily - One Family's Story of Survival and Loss in NZ Lupita Nyong'o on Goop Here’s the thing with Alec Baldwin Jeffrey Toobin and Susan Orlean The Cut on Tuesdays - How Rukmini Callimachi Gets It Done Books: A Little Life by Hanya Yanagihara The People Vs OJ Simpson by Jeffrey Toobin Articles: bell hooks interviews Lil Kim for Paper http://www.papermag.com/lil-kim-bell-hooks1-1427357106.html?rebelltitem=62#rebelltitem62 ‘What Happens When Women Stop Leading Like Men’ by Tina Brown for the New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/30/opinion/women-leadership-jacinda-ardern.html?fbclid=IwAR0WA4kruhqkPRIE15V03VEYgcXNDQUt3U-RcoKORcJ3lY_ZZ_7FxvvdDk0 'The Ick” Is Bullshit & We’ve Gotta Stop Using It As A Reason To Break Up' by Melissa Mason for Pedestrian TV https://www.pedestrian.tv/dating/the-ick-dating-reason-break-up/ 'Can a Control Freak Self-Teach Patience? I’m Trying' by Leandra Medine for Man Repeller https://www.manrepeller.com/2017/04/developing-patience-when-youre-impatient.html

 Is Ambition Overrated? | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 01:05:43

Isabelle is back from Africa where she had an obnoxiously luxe few weeks (and met a racist named Lindy). We talk Elizabeth Holmes - the scandal everyone can't seem to get enough of. And in the wake of another ambition-gone-wrong tale, we question: Is ambition overrated? And are we working ourselves to death out of fear not doing so is going to let the feminist side down? Plus, a deep-dive on the Madeline McCann documentary. Read: On Michael Jackson by Margo Jefferson https://www.booktopia.com.au/on-michael-jackson-margo-jefferson/prod9781783784202.html Adele by Leila Slimani https://www.booktopia.com.au/adele-leila-slimani/prod9780571331956.html Everything I Know About Love by Dolly Alderton https://www.penguin.com.au/books/everything-i-know-about-love-9780241982105 The Argument podcast https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-new-york-times/the-argument To Live and Die In LA podcast (2019) https://www.radio.com/media/podcast/live-and-die-la Us (2019) by Jordan Peele https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6857112/ 'The Ending of 'Us' Explained' by Grace O'Neill for ELLE.com.au https://www.elle.com.au/culture/us-movie-ending-explained-20150 New York Times' The Daily Podcast: 'How New Zealand Banned Assault Rifles in 7 Days' https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/22/podcasts/the-daily/new-zealand-gun-ban.html Pandora Sykes' for The Times: 'Is an Obsession With Achievement Holding You Back?' https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fomog-fear-missing-out-goals-is-obsession-achievement-holding-you-back-x3l06dmnp The Ambition Collision by Lisa Miller for The Cut https://www.thecut.com/2017/09/what-happens-to-ambition-in-your-30s.html The Dropout podcast (2019) http://abcradio.com/podcasts/the-dropout/ The Inventor: Out For Blood in Silicon Valley (2019) by Alex Gibney and HBO https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8488126/ 'The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann' (2019) on Netflix https://www.netflix.com/title/80194956 You can email us on afterworkdrinkspodcast@gmail.com, follow us on Instagram at @afterworkdrinkspodcast or join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast.'

 How Do We Deal With ‘Leaving Neverland’? | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 01:06:43

Surprise! It’s an early edition of After Work Drinks this week because let’s be honest, there’s nothing we’re going to want to talk about more than the Michael Jackson documentary (and shocking allegations of abuse in Leaving Neverland). Unlike R. Kelly’s ‘Ignition’, it feels futile and impossible to try and ban or remove Michael Jackson’s music so, if we believe Wade and James, how do we move forward? And why, after all we’ve learned from #MeToo, are we still seeing the credibility of victims be viciously undermined? Plus, on a lighter note, we have a few good watches, reads and listens to ingest and Zadie Smith’s tip for productivity. This episode deals with heavy issues including childhood sexual abuse. While we made the conscious decision not to discuss the allegations in any graphic detail, the topic may be distressing for some listeners. If you feel you need help, the below resources are helpful: Lifeline: 13 11 14 1800 RESPECT: 1800 737 732 ChildWise: 1300 244 539 Recommendations: Calypso by David Sedaris https://www.booktopia.com.au/calypso-david-sedaris/prod9781408707821.html The White Album by Joan Didion https://www.booktopia.com.au/the-white-album-joan-didion/prod9780374532079.html Russian Doll on Netflix https://www.netflix.com/title/80211627 Exposed: The Case of Keli Lane on ABC https://iview.abc.net.au/show/exposed-the-case-of-keli-lane Esther Perel in the New Yorker https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-new-yorker-interview/love-is-not-a-permanent-state-of-enthusiasm-an-interview-with-esther-perel ‘Where Should We Begin?’ by Esther Perel season three on Audible https://www.audible.com.au/pd/Esther-Perels-Where-Should-We-Begin-The-Arc-of-Love-Audiobook/B07H7P2DPR Difficult Women by Roxanne Gay https://www.hachette.com.au/roxane-gay/difficult-women The Cut on Tuesdays https://www.gimletmedia.com/the-cut-on-tuesdays The OA - Netflix https://www.netflix.com/title/80044950 Zadie Smith on The Toure Show https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/cadence13/toure-show/e/53184632 Leaving Neverland by Dan Reed and HBO https://tenplay.com.au/channel-ten/leaving-neverland/2019/3/leaving-neverland--part-2 'Reckoning with the Real Michael Jackson' The New York Times' The Daily https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/08/podcasts/the-daily/michael-jackson-abuse-leaving-neverland.html The Michael Jackson accusers: ‘The abuse didn’t feel strange, because he was like a god’ by Hadley Freeman in The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/mar/04/the-michael-jackson-accusers-the-abuse-didnt-feel-strange-because-he-was-like-a-god ‘Why Oprah’s ‘Neverland’ special was so important’ by Taylor Weatherby for Billboard https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/8501577/why-oprahs-leaving-neverland-special-was-so-important

 On *That* Jordyn Woods Interview – And Why Do People Hate Amber Heard? | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 00:50:33

This episode our long awaited debrief of ~the~ celebrity interview of 2019 is here (It's irony people! That was obviously the Biebers). Grace is still espousing Konspiracy theories – but overall we’re just kind of bored of all this Kardashian business. Is 2019 the year we official stop karing about them altogether? Plus, Johnny Depp is suing Amber Heard for $70 million and it has, strangely, ignited some more girl-on-girl hatred toward Amber Heard. Why does she still inspire so much fury? And what does it say about feminism that we still can't make sense of the Depp/Heard allegations in 2019? Younger (watch at your own risk) https://www.stan.com.au/watch/younger Happy Face podcast https://www.thehappyfacepodcast.com/ Who the Hell is Hamish? podcast https://www.theaustralian.com.au/podcasts/podcast-who-the-hell-is-hamish/news-story/c95b519a9ececa6076df80bd130ba158 Madeleine McCann docoseries coming to Netflix, here's the Nine podcast (disclaimer: I haven't listened to more than 20 mins): https://www.9news.com.au/2019/03/04/10/43/maddie-podcast-episodes-what-happened-madeleine-mccann Drown by Junot Diaz Amsterdam by Ian McEwan Pamela Adlon on NPR’s ‘Fresh Air’ podcast Louis CK on Marc Maron’s ‘WTF’ podcast You can email us on afterworkdrinkspodcast@gmail.com, follow us on Instagram at @afterworkdrinkspodcast or join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast.'

 An Oscars Red Carpet Debrief And Why Everyone’s So Mad About ‘Greenbook’ | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 00:46:59

We’re reuninted and boy does it feel good! Grace tells an unnecessarily long anecdote about her flight back to Australia and Isabelle brags about her upcoming trip to Botswanna – we break down Meghan Markle’s strangely #sponcon New York baby shower, and catch up on the latest Jordyn Woods drama, including her highly anticipated tell all interview. But most importantly, we’re talking OSCARS – dresses we loved, dresses we hated, that Bradley Cooper/Lady Gaga performance and Rami and Lucy’s adorable PDA. On a more serious note, we deep dive on the Green Book controversy – warranted criticism or much ado about nothing? References: Beautiful Boy (2018) directed by Felix Van Groeningen If Beale Street Could Talk (2018) directed by Barry Jenkins NPR’s Fresh Air podcast with dream hampton https://www.npr.org/2019/02/20/695083431/surviving-r-kelly-producer-dream-hampton-takes-on-ecosystem-that-s-supported-him Vanity Fair’s In The Limelight podcast ‘Up Up Away’ https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2019/02/meghan-markle-baby-shower Vanity Fair’s ‘The Truth About Green Book’ https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/12/truth-about-green-book-viggo-mortensen-mahershala-ali The New York Times’ The Daily podcast: “What Hollywood Keeps Getting Wrong About Race” https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/26/podcasts/the-daily/oscars-green-book-interracial-friendship.html

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